Can Japan just be blockaded into submission?

Nov 2014
377
ph
#1
Is it possible to cause Japan to submit and go back to status quo ante 1941 by defeating the Navy at Midway, and force Japan give back all their post Pearl Harbor conquests, and then after Midway sinking another major part of it in another major decisive daylight battle like the Philippines Sea, and then just blockade Japan into starvation through submarines alone, without doing any of those costly island invasions?
 
Nov 2014
377
ph
#3
What if US and ABDA just demanded Japan give back Malaya, the Philippines, and the Dutch East Indies, and everything post Dec. 1941 in return for ending unrestricted submarine warfare, and not the Combined Fleet blown out of the water, would Japan be willing to take that deal?
 

Edratman

Ad Honorem
Feb 2009
6,563
Eastern PA
#4
Not a chance. Japan was unwilling to surrender after losing the sea battles you cited, some of their defensive islands and the Philippines.
 
Mar 2019
813
Kansas
#5
Is it possible to cause Japan to submit and go back to status quo ante 1941 by defeating the Navy at Midway, and force Japan give back all their post Pearl Harbor conquests, and then after Midway sinking another major part of it in another major decisive daylight battle like the Philippines Sea, and then just blockade Japan into starvation through submarines alone, without doing any of those costly island invasions?
The US did bypass a number of strongly held islands. With the exception of Okinawa the majority of the remaining island invasions were comparatively cheap in terms of casualties compared to other theatres of the same war. And those islands were taken expressly to give the US a better opportunity to tighten the stranglehold on the Japanese home islands

Japans initial plan was to loose a short war. But after the early success the leadership became infected with victory disease and genuinely thought they could win the fight.
 
Apr 2012
252
Iowa, USA
#6
What if US and ABDA just demanded Japan give back Malaya, the Philippines, and the Dutch East Indies, and everything post Dec. 1941 in return for ending unrestricted submarine warfare, and not the Combined Fleet blown out of the water, would Japan be willing to take that deal?
What about China? Korea?

Japan was an unapologetic aggressor that needed to be put back in its box.
 
Jul 2016
8,941
USA
#7
I am quite certain the Japanese begged for status quo but the USA wanted unconditional surrender and to strip japan down as much as possible to eliminate its only pacific rival
That's not how it happened...

The Japanese were trying to take over the Pacific, creating its "Greater Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" which actually only benefited Japanese of the Yamato race, who were a rather massively racist people who greatly looked down on other Asian races as inferior. The US didn't even announce unconditional surrender terms until July 1945, one month before the war ended. Previously, Japan made absolutely no meaningful or realistic gestures to end the war, period. Even among recorded meetings of the leadership of the Japanese Empire (The Big Six and the Emperor) they never once actually contemplated surrender of any kind until after the second atomic bomb was dropped, and even then half the body wanted a limited surrender that would have ended the war with Japan running their own war crime trials (lol), no occupation, no disarmament, and the emperor (who himself was a war criminal) being fully protected.
 
Oct 2015
762
Virginia
#8
The submarine campaign, the naval blockade, and the strategic bombing of Japan all required advanced bases in the Marianas and Palaus, and probably the Ryukyus and Bonins to be totally effective.
As "Aggie" says, it is nonsense (for which there is absolutely no evidence of any kind) to contend that the poor, helpless Japanese militarists were begging to surrender; but that the wicked, racist Americans were intent on revenge, or dominance, or on scaring the Soviets, or proving their technology, and refused to listen or compromise. There was no meaningful offer of compromise. Nor is it likely that anybody would want to compromise with a government that had attacked it without a declaration of war, that had been waging a brutal war in China since 1937, and that had mistreated or murdered prisoners of war among other enormities.
 
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Dec 2014
403
Wales
#9
So basically just giving them a large part of Mainland China, Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, all of which they had occupied before December 1941? What about the Japanese forces fighting In China - do they have to stop or are we just stopping the attacks on the American/Western forces?

The Japanese in WW2 weren't that keen on surrender you know. What happens if they don't surrender? How many women and children - not to mention Western prisoners of war - are you willing to starve to death?