Can people arrive at a common set of morality and ethics using only logic and reason?

Nov 2014
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#1
Can the all world's cultures and people arrive at a common set of shared morality and ethics, using reason and logic alone, without resorting to faith or feelings? Can correct morality be derived SOLELY using logic and reason?
 

AlpinLuke

Forum Staff
Oct 2011
26,829
Italy, Lago Maggiore
#2
The problem here is that logic and reason are two different things and not always in agreement ...

reason is the core of superior thought ... logic is the core of the math functions of our brain. Superior though is made also by emotions, feelings, irrational contents ... not only logic.
 

specul8

Ad Honorem
Oct 2016
3,351
Australia
#3
All of the worlds cultures , coming to the same conclusions about morality and ethics (of all things ! ) regardless of how they 'feel' about it or if they have faith in it ?

Nope .

( And why pose a question with the 'bar set so high' ? )

'People' as such are not like this ; 'Man' is a creature of culture, or he does not become 'Man ' . - culture makes Man - . Children bought up without proper cultural input ( 'feral children' and cases of extreme isolation ) do not behave like 'people' ( I have studied cases and actually had to nurse and look after some ) .

In tribal societies a person is first born as an animal , like all the others. Through initiation rites they become a 'human', a 'cultural person' and learn the mores and taboos, the Law that makes them a functioning person in that society ; they learn the boundary of their individuality and freedom, and what they get in return for maintaining that boundary. They are also instructed in their own particular function. A failure in this area makes anything from a bad 'citizen' through to a viscous animal .

A lot of this is highly Dependant on local conditions ; location and environment .


As to the 2nd part of your question - I question the concept of 'correct morality' outside of the above scenario - without that , where does 'correct morality' come from? What is correct morality anyway, if not based on the above dynamic or religious instruction ?

I dont think there is anything such as 'correct morality' , for the world's cultures . To me, that idea seems culturally prejudiced and implies one's own morality and ethics come from other sources than the above ( and some latter added cultural complications ; 'law' ) .

In a global culture, that contains many different cultures this obviously presents some problems .
 

tomar

Ad Honoris
Jan 2011
13,755
#6
has it not already happened ?

Check the universal declaration of human rights .... even if it is not fully respected everywhere, it is actually accepted by every country.... there is no country for example where murder or stealing is considered a-OK....
 
Mar 2019
1,613
Kansas
#7
has it not already happened ?

Check the universal declaration of human rights .... even if it is not fully respected everywhere, it is actually accepted by every country.... there is no country for example where murder or stealing is considered a-OK....
I think there are two distinct answers to this question. The Declaration is the absolute bedrock that any human who considers themselves civilized would abide by.

But once cultural and ethical elements get added, the answer becomes more complex. Nudity is a great example. In the US a TV station can be fined millions simply because a female nipple appeared on screen for less than a second. In Finland a TV channel accidentally broadcast some three minutes of a porn film during a news broadcast, the only reaction to the event was an apology by the TV channel.
 

specul8

Ad Honorem
Oct 2016
3,351
Australia
#8
has it not already happened ?

Check the universal declaration of human rights .... even if it is not fully respected everywhere, it is actually accepted by every country.... there is no country for example where murder or stealing is considered a-OK....
You would have to demonstrate that it was 'arrived at' by 'using reason and logic alone, without resorting to faith or feelings' for it to qualify .

Murder is considered okay in many countries - ever heard of a death penalty? How about war, where civilians get mass murdered by bombing cities, thats okay too - if they have weapons of 'mass destruction' .... or maybe not As far as 'stealing' goes ; history is full of it , as long as its the 'good guys' stealing from the 'bad guys' , its not stealing , Its 'plunder' .

Empires where often 'financially saved' by such 'booty' .
 
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tomar

Ad Honoris
Jan 2011
13,755
#9
You would have to demonstrate that it was 'arrived at' by 'using reason and logic alone, without resorting to faith or feelings' for it to qualify .

Murder is considered okay in many countries - ever heard of a death penalty? How about war, where civilians get mass murdered by bombing cities, thats okay too - if they have weapons of 'mass destruction' .... or maybe not As far as 'stealing' goes ; history is full of it , as long as its the 'good guys' stealing from the 'bad guys' , its not stealing , Its 'plunder' .

Empires where often 'financially saved' by such 'booty' .
No those are exceptions, that are codified usually in great detail... The need to codify these exceptions, shows that everyone understands that this is deemed to be "not good"
 
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Jun 2016
1,851
England, 200 yards from Wales
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No those are exceptions, that are codified usually in great detail... The need to codify these exceptions, shows that everyone understands that this is deemed to be "not good"
Surely though the point is that there isn't universal agreement about what acts are 'exceptions'.
Actually I don't think murder is ever considered OK, as 'murder' surely means 'wrongful killing', so I reckon probably all would agree that murder is wrong (as that is a tautology).
However different people and different societies have different ideas about what sorts of killing are justified and what sorts are wrongful.so would not agree about exactly which sorts of killing count as murder.
 

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