Cases where a particular side won a war and imposed a peace settlement but was subsequently unwilling to actually enforce this settlement?

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Which cases were there where a particular side won a war and imposed a peace settlement but was subsequently unwilling to actually enforce this settlement? So far, I could think of:

1. The Russo-Persian War of 1722-1723. Russia initially stripped Persia (Iran) of its Caspian Sea coastline as a result of this war but a decade later gave this territory back to Persia in order to establish an anti-Ottoman alliance with the Persians.
2. Turkey after the end of World War I. The victorious Allies initially imposed the severe 1920 Treaty of Sevres on Turkey but subsequently lacked the will to enforce it and thus allowed the Turks to recapture some of their lost territories and to create a new post-WWI settlement for Turkey with the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne.
3. The US after the end of World War I. While playing a significant role in the Allies' World War I victory and in shaping the post-WWI peace settlement, the US subsequently retreated back into isolationism and proved itself extremely unwilling to actually enforce the post-WWI peace settlement that it helped shape. This was true to some extent of Britain and France as well (as evidenced by their actions during the 1936 Rhineland Crisis and the 1938 Czechoslovak crisis), but at least Britain and France declared war on Nazi Germany over its invasion of Poland in 1939 while the US simply sat on the sidelines and continued to do so until Pearl Harbor (albeit with providing significant aid to the Allies in the form of Lend-Lease).

Anyway, what other examples of this are there?
 
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Britain and France also allowed Germany to rearm and stopped making them pay reparations. America was under no obligation to enforce the treaty of Versailles or participate in global wars. Despite isolationism we still put embargos on the axis powers and sent supplies and volunteers to fight fascism across the world.

Aside from that.

WW2, the western powers did nothing to maintain the planned influence divisions in eastern Europe.
The occupation of Japan was wound down after the start of the Korean war.
Okinawa and the Ryukyu islands were returned to Japan after ww2 (despite them pretty much being American owned by that point).
Israel returned the Sinai peninsula to Egypt.
Israel gave the Palestinians autonomy.
North Korea routinely ignores its peace agreement with south Korea.
America ignored many of its treaties with Native Americans.
Germany was revived as a state during the cold war.
After the first Armenian massacres the Ottoman Sultan promised to protect Christians but did nothing to follow suit.
 
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The Peace of Augsburg forbid any further Protestant takeovers of Catholic polities. The inability to enforce this principle was one of the long-term causes of the Thirty Years War.
Poland was supposed to get Kiev back in 1669, but Russia refused to leave.
The Treaty of Ghent (1814) was supposed to protect native rights, but the UK ignored American violations of the treaty.
 

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Britain and France also allowed Germany to rearm and stopped making them pay reparations. America was under no obligation to enforce the treaty of Versailles or participate in global wars. Despite isolationism we still put embargos on the axis powers and sent supplies and volunteers to fight fascism across the world.
Were Britain and France under obligation to enforce the Versailles Treaty?

Aside from that.

WW2, the western powers did nothing to maintain the planned influence divisions in eastern Europe.
Fair enough--though the West was uninterested in a new war with the Soviets.

The occupation of Japan was wound down after the start of the Korean war.
Was it ever actually intended to be permanent?

Okinawa and the Ryukyu islands were returned to Japan after ww2 (despite them pretty much being American owned by that point).
Yeah, I guess, though were there any viable alternatives to this other than either Japanese or continued US ownership?

Israel returned the Sinai peninsula to Egypt.
Israel gave the Palestinians autonomy.
Yep.

North Korea routinely ignores its peace agreement with south Korea.
I'm not sure if missile tests is actually a violation of this, but shelling a South Korean island certainly is.

America ignored many of its treaties with Native Americans.
Yeah, but that was because we wanted the terms to be more in our favor rather than less in our favor.

Germany was revived as a state during the cold war.
Well, Germany was partitioned for 45 years, but otherwise Yeah.

After the first Armenian massacres the Ottoman Sultan promised to protect Christians but did nothing to follow suit.
You mean the Hamidian massacres?
 
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Were Britain and France under obligation to enforce the Versailles Treaty?

Fair enough--though the West was uninterested in a new war with the Soviets.

Was it ever actually intended to be permanent?

Yeah, I guess, though were there any viable alternatives to this other than either Japanese or continued US ownership?

Yep.

I'm not sure if missile tests is actually a violation of this, but shelling a South Korean island certainly is.

Yeah, but that was because we wanted the terms to be more in our favor rather than less in our favor.

Well, Germany was partitioned for 45 years, but otherwise Yeah.

You mean the Hamidian massacres?
No but they were the ones that crafted most of it in regards to Germany, America had little real interest in what happened to Germany.
And allowed them to absorb half of Europe because of it, makes Munich pale by comparison.
No but it was probably going to be much longer.
No but the defense department really liked Okinawa.
North Korea frequently sends soldiers to kill and kidnap south Koreans, they've sunk south Korean ships; all told thousands have died and that's not even counting Americans and Japanese.
Or cause we later found the land we gave them was valuable.
Germany was originally supposed to be left in four occupations zone without its own government (aside from local). As the cold war heated up we unified the western parts to help repel a soviet invasion.
Yes.
 
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No but they were the ones that crafted most of it in regards to Germany, America had little real interest in what happened to Germany.
America cared enough about this for Wilson to personally go to Versailles, though.

And allowed them to absorb half of Europe because of it, makes Munich pale by comparison.
Well, yeah, but the USSR was already occupying it. If the Allies wanted to avoid a Soviet occupation of EE, then they should have avoided insisting on unconditional surrender. Of course, that would have meant that Germany would have kept some of its WWII gains since the German generals weren't going to make peace without a price.

No but it was probably going to be much longer.
No but the defense department really liked Okinawa.
OK.

North Korea frequently sends soldiers to kill and kidnap south Koreans, they've sunk south Korean ships; all told thousands have died and that's not even counting Americans and Japanese.
That's fair enough, though it's worth noting that the Norks were extremely careful not to attack the DMZ itself--at least not for an extremely long time.

Or cause we later found the land we gave them was valuable.
That doesn't actually contradict what I said here, though. We made a deal and subsequently wanted a better deal because their land was discovered to be more valuable due to the discovery of some natural resource(s) or something like that.

Germany was originally supposed to be left in four occupations zone without its own government (aside from local). As the cold war heated up we unified the western parts to help repel a soviet invasion.
Was it supposed to become four occupation zones permanently?

OK. Also, at least he refrained from slaughtering them en masse again until after the start of WWI.
 
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America cared enough about this for Wilson to personally go to Versailles, though.

Well, yeah, but the USSR was already occupying it. If the Allies wanted to avoid a Soviet occupation of EE, then they should have avoided insisting on unconditional surrender. Of course, that would have meant that Germany would have kept some of its WWII gains since the German generals weren't going to make peace without a price.

OK.

That's fair enough, though it's worth noting that the Norks were extremely careful not to attack the DMZ itself--at least not for an extremely long time.

That doesn't actually contradict what I said here, though. We made a deal and subsequently wanted a better deal because their land was discovered to be more valuable due to the discovery of some natural resource(s) or something like that.

Was it supposed to become four occupation zones permanently?

OK. Also, at least he refrained from slaughtering them en masse again until after the start of WWI.
It was Wilson's personal new world order fantasies, which the people of America didn't share.
Allowing Nazi Germany to survive would have been a horrible mistake. As for eastern Europe, that would be like saying "Well Germany's going to take Poland anyway, no point of us getting involved."
Most of these incidents took place on the DMZ, which almost restarted the war in the 60's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_border_incidents_involving_North_and_South_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_DMZ_Conflict
The division of Germany was intended to be indefinite.
 

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It was Wilson's personal new world order fantasies, which the people of America didn't share.
The Republicans in the US Senate were willing to ratify the Versailles Treaty with reservations and also agree to a US post-war alliance with Britain and France after the end of WWI. Wilson rejected their overtures and instead refused to compromise and ultimately got nothing of what he wanted.

Allowing Nazi Germany to survive would have been a horrible mistake. As for eastern Europe, that would be like saying "Well Germany's going to take Poland anyway, no point of us getting involved."
Actually, I was talking about encouraging the German generals to overthrow Hitler and the Nazis in exchange for Germany getting a very generous peace.

Most of these incidents took place on the DMZ, which almost restarted the war in the 60's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_border_incidents_involving_North_and_South_Korea
Korean DMZ Conflict - Wikipedia
Thanks for this information!

The division of Germany was intended to be indefinite.
But would the Americans, Brits, and French have actually been willing to occupy parts of Germany indefinitely?
 
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The Republicans in the US Senate were willing to ratify the Versailles Treaty with reservations and also agree to a US post-war alliance with Britain and France after the end of WWI. Wilson rejected their overtures and instead refused to compromise and ultimately got nothing of what he wanted.

Actually, I was talking about encouraging the German generals to overthrow Hitler and the Nazis in exchange for Germany getting a very generous peace.

Thanks for this information!

But would the Americans, Brits, and French have actually been willing to occupy parts of Germany indefinitely?
It was a treaty to end the war, of course they voted for it. Most of Wilson's ideas were ideas only he cared about, European leaders/diplomats largely ignored him and America mostly abandoned his policies.
Not acceptable, they would lick their wounds and prepare for another war. With the coming of the nuclear age leaving a fascist Germany in place would be foolish.
Indefinitely means until we change our mind, which they did.
 
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It was a treaty to end the war, of course they voted for it. Most of Wilson's ideas were ideas only he cared about, European leaders/diplomats largely ignored him and America mostly abandoned his policies.
Had Wilson threatened to withdraw US troops from Europe in the middle of WWI, maybe Europe would have ignored him less. As for America, again, as I said, that was due to Wilson refused to compromise.

Not acceptable, they would lick their wounds and prepare for another war. With the coming of the nuclear age leaving a fascist Germany in place would be foolish.
TBF, though, one of the conditions would be for Germany to return to democracy.

Indefinitely means until we change our mind, which they did.
OK.