China’s Impact on SE Asia

Naomasa298

Forum Staff
Apr 2010
34,479
T'Republic of Yorkshire
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Note - prior to the French conquest of Indochina, Vietnam (Dai Viet) used Chinese characters for its writing system.

That makes it the odd one out in SE Asia. Cambodia, Thailand, Laos and Burma use Khmer-style scripts, which are descended from Indian Brahmi script.
 
Mar 2019
1,535
KL
#12
SEA are basically chinese people with few indic influences, racially and ethnically and by their nature, they can be easily classified as chinese or atleast east asian people. the SEA despite being chinese/east asian adopted indian culture but they never really transformed fully into the indian culture.

one thai especially stated that at heart he felt like east asian/chinese and from outside some indian influence and i think i agree to that, i have met thai people and their nature is nothing like south asian/india can rather be classified as chinese.

these regions were especially heavily sinified during second mil AD when indic influences receded.

even in regions like north east india, the people are naturally inclining to look like and behave like east asians than indians, they cut their hairs, die their hairs like typical east asian as well esp in urban areas, they prefer korean and east asian serials televised programs rather than indian. indian females like to dress in their traditional attire sari, kurta payjama etc, but in east asia, the females copy western attire,, the younger generation females in SEA esp like to wear shorts just like east asian females, same trend is probably followed through out NEI urban areas as well except ofcourse the malays. in one video i saw NEI wearing the face masks just like chinese/japanese etc.

partially due to active chinese participation in trade in late first and early second mil AD and partially due to cultural heritage, the SEA became east asian more than south asian.

regards
 
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Jun 2012
7,367
Malaysia
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SEA are basically chinese people with few indic influences, racially and ethnically and by their nature, they can be easily classified as chinese or atleast east asian people. the SEA despite being chinese/east asian adopted indian culture but they never really transformed fully into the indian culture.

one thai especially stated that at heart he felt like east asian/chinese and from outside some indian influence and i think i agree to that, i have met thai people and their nature is nothing like south asian/india can rather be classified as chinese.

these regions were especially heavily sinified during second mil AD when indic influences receded.

even in regions like north east india, the people are naturally inclining to look like and behave like east asians than indians, they cut their hairs, die their hairs like typical east asian as well esp in urban areas, they prefer korean and east asian serials televised programs rather than indian. indian females like to dress in their traditional attire sari, kurta payjama etc, but in east asia, the females copy western attire,, the younger generation females in SEA esp like to wear shorts just like east asian females, same trend is probably followed through out NEI urban areas as well except ofcourse the malays. in one video i saw NEI wearing the face masks just like chinese/japanese etc.

partially due to active chinese participation in trade in late first and early second mil AD and partially due to cultural heritage, the SEA became east asian more than south asian.

regards
Basically Chinese people? LOL. Dude, you must know very little about SEA. If at all. So, please please please refrain from trying to come across as an instant authority on SEA.

Nope. We indigenous SEA people are neither 'Chinese' nor Indian. Do not confuse us with the few of Chinese descent that you might have met. They are descendants of Chinese immigrants.

The first ancient settlers of SEA are believed to be the Negrito. Or perhaps to be more accurate the Melanesian, of whom the Negrito were maybe the most well known component among the earliest wave. Their earliest arrival has been cited as 40,000 BC.

The next wave was a people described as Austro-Asiatic, also called the Mon-Khmer, who came around 8,000 - 10,000 BC. They largely displaced and/or assimilated the Melanesians, who now mostly only remain in Papua & easternmost Indonesia. The Khmer still remain the majority population in Cambodia, but the Mon have been mostly sidelined and/or assimilated by the T'ai in Thailand & the Bhama/Mranma (believed to be originally a Tibeto-Burman people) in Myanmar.

And then the final big wave was the Austronesian, who came around 3,000 - 4,000 BC. A mini wave of T'ai-Kadai came around 1,000 AD. They were at first vassal of the Mon & Khmer, but they grew up in strength, eventually taking over places today named Thailand & Laos.

The Viet were initially only a small kingdom around Hanoi, but they also grew in strength to overcome the Khmer & the Cham to found present Vietnam.

So, except for Thailand, Laos & Vietnam, SEA people are very probably a hybrid of Melanesian, AustroAsiatic & Austronesian. That was very probably our initial ethnogenesis. Definitely not Chinese, nor Indian.

The T'ai (note the spelling) were to SEA something like what the Germanics were to Western Europe, a big supertribe with many subtribes. The Lao were one of them, like the Saxons were one of the Germanics.

'Thai' is not the name of an ethnicity. It is a modification of the original ethnic name 'T'ai', used as a unifying political construct by the now majority T'ai political rulers of today's multi-ethnic Thailand.

Austro-Asiatics, Austronesians & Tai-Kadai people might have all ultimately originated from regions on southern parts of today's China. But they are not & were not Chinese at all. So called 'southern China' was collectively their own original homeland, but they were gradually displaced and/or assimilated in that homeland of theirs by Chinese people who were expanding southward.

Some ancient Austro-Asiatics in fact reached & settled places in India, where they likely interbred with pre-existing Melanesians & other Australoid people, just like they did in SEA. This was even earlier than the arrival of the Dravidians.
 
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Naomasa298

Forum Staff
Apr 2010
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#17
LOL. Dude, you must know very little about SEA. If at all. So, please please please, do not try to come across as an instant authority on SEA.

Nope. We indigenous SEA people are neither 'Chinese' nor Indian. Do not confuse us with the few of Chinese descent that you might have met. They are descendants of Chinese immigrants.

The first ancient settlers of SEA are believed to be the Negrito. Or perhaps to be more accurate the Melanesian, of whom the Negrito were maybe the most well known component among the earliest wave. Their earliest arrival has been cited as 40,000 BC.

The next wave was a people described as Austro-Asiatic, also called the Mon-Khmer, who came around 8,000 - 10,000 BC. They largely displaced and/or assimilated the Melanesians, who now mostly only remain in Papua & easternmost Indonesia. The Khmer still remain the majority population in Cambodia, but the Mon have been mostly sidelined and/or assimilated by the T'ai in Thailand & the Bhama/Mranma in Myanmar.

And then the final big wave was the Austronesian, which came around 3,000 - 4,000 BC. A mini wave of T'ai-Kadai came around 1,000 AD. They were at first vassal of the Mon & Khmer, but they grew up in strength, eventually taking over places today named Thailand & Laos.

The Viet were initially only a small kingdom around Hanoi, but they also grew in strength to overcome the Khmer & the Cham to found present Vietnam.

So, except for Thailand, Laos & Vietnam, SEA people are very probably a hybrid of Melanesian, AustroAsiatic & Austronesian. Definitely not Chinese, nor Indian.

The T'ai (note the spelling) were to SEA something like what the Germanics were to Western Europe, a big supertribe with many subtribes. The Lao were one of them, like the Saxons were one of the Germanics.

'Thai' is not the name of an ethnicity. It is a modification of the original ethnic name 'T'ai', used as a unifying political construct by the now majority T'ai political rulers of today's multi-ethnic Thailand.
The majority of Thais belong to one of the modern subtribes of the T'ai. "Thai" *does* refer to an ethnicity - the people native to central Thailand. In Thai though, the word is used to refer to all citizens of Thailand. The largest non-Thai ethnic group in Thailand are people of Chinese descent, most of whom are completely assimilated - former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra was of Chinese descent.

You are absolutely correct about Thailand being a multi-ethnic country, which is something not obvious to foreigners, but the Thai government does its best to minimise the differences (you almost never hear regional accents on mainstream TV programs for example).
 
Jun 2012
7,367
Malaysia
#18
SEA are basically chinese people with few indic influences, racially and ethnically and by their nature, they can be easily classified as chinese or atleast east asian people. the SEA despite being chinese/east asian adopted indian culture but they never really transformed fully into the indian culture.
Describing SEA people as 'basically Chinese people' is kind of like describing Uzbek & Turkmen people as 'basically Indian people' LOL. It's not even a drastic oversimplification. Not even close.

While OTOH, just because SEA people once practised a faith still practised by Indians today does not make them a 'formerly Indian people'. Just like Central Asians once practising a faith still practised by Chinese today does not make them a 'formerly Chinese people'.

And you need to get away from this apparent proclivity toward seeing eastern-southern Asia from this overly obvious either-China-or-India oriented worldview of yours. Heck, we're currently a region with 654 million people. Now, that is just over half the population of India.
 
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Apr 2019
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India
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If SEA are Chinese then Korean are Japnese, Indian are Iranian, Russian are Italian, Turks are Arabs or what not. It's ignorant to claim SE Asia doesn't have it's own identity or to group whole of SE Asian countries together. Although I can see Indian influence there but their society is defferent from both China and India.
And what is this 'Chinese' looking people?
SE Asian don't look like Han Chinese. They have darker skin and different facial features just like NE Indian people have their own distinct culture. Heck even NE India is extremely diverse and there is intense rivalry between different tribes and ethnic groups. They speak different languages, have different traditional attires, different festivals, and different social systems. Most importantly due to this they still don't get along too well.
Only reason NE Indian and SE Asian are following similiar fashion trend is because of influenece of K-pop/K-dramas and that is Korean. Korean are not Chinese and they don't appreciate it when someone calls them 'Chinese'. The kind of culture that Korea exports also doesn't have any 'Chinese' character. It's soemwhat poor copy of western culture. So in the end all of 'Chinese' looking youth are following 'western' culture.