Chinese communist government mosque and church demolition, Islamic persecution, why no international outcry?

deaf tuner

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Oct 2013
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If there is anything extremist Uighur hates more than Hans.. it is the Huis. There is absolutely no sympathy for each other despite sharing the same religion.
They do not share the same religion, not from extremists' POV (be him Uighur, Saudi or Belgian).

For radicals, usually, their "own kin" are the worse: traitors, heretics.

It's why radical islamists killed more Muslims than other of diferent religion. It's why usually the bloodiest wars are civil wars.
 
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Like they razed historical sites of Kashghar and built new shiny buildings for them?
There has been no razing of historical sites in Kashghar. Only of illegal or unsafe new constructions that have been constructed near the historical sites.

For example if somebody added a new minaret to Tajmahal and that was done without any safety or legal procedures , the government would have every right to demolish the said minarets.

Destroying old buildings that hold historical value is illegal in China. This is not 1960s where the red guards ran rampant.
 
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If there is anything extremist Uighur hates more than Hans.. it is the Huis. There is absolutely no sympathy for each other despite sharing the same religion.
I highly doubt that, it seems to be propaganda of Han-Chinese-communists to demonize Uighurs, that "look they are so hateful and intolerant people that they hate the guts of their own Muslim brethren". Muslim is not a race and one Muslim ethnicity may not get along with another Muslim ethnicity, and may even enemy of each other, but in the kind of circumstances Uighurs are, they cant afford to hate Huis......May be historically Uighurs and Huis did not get along well but in the present times the ones who are bullying them and annihilating their identity, are Hans-atheists-communists and Uighurs have every reason to hate them more than Huis or any other group.
 

HackneyedScribe

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Feb 2011
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All your post tells is that you don't watch Chinese TV, you're making your conclusion based off of your negative impression of Chinese people, not factual reality. Let's look at how Uighurs are 'demonized':

Nigermaidi Zechman, is the famous TV show host of CCTV, China's biggest TV station. He's an Uighur:

^He's not depicted as a terrorist. Also the guy's father was a famous translator who translated notable Chinese and non-Chinese classics.

One of the most famous Chinese TV series right now is "The Flame's Daughter", the main character is an Uighur actress named Dilraba Dilmurat:

^She's not depicted as a terrorist.

And before that the most famous TV series is "Fighter of Destiny", and one of the main characters is Guli Nazha, again an Uighur:

^She's not depicted as a terrorist

Miss China 2013 is Mireayi Memet, who is an Uighur:

^She's not depicted as a terrorist

Ericana Asker is a famous Uighur comedian:
^He's not depicted as a terrorist

Muhemmet Imin Iminof was a major general of the PLA


Hushur Islam is a Uighur, and the Academician of China Engineering Academy

^He's not depicted as a terrorist

Aili (艾力) is an Uighur who is also one of the most famous English teachers in China

^He's not depicted as a terrorist

If you make judgement calls based on hate, then chances are your judgement calls are wrong.
 
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YouLoveMeYouKnowIt

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Oct 2013
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I highly doubt that, it seems to be propaganda of Han-Chinese-communists to demonize Uighurs, that "look they are so hateful and intolerant people that they hate the guts of their own Muslim brethren". Muslim is not a race and one Muslim ethnicity may not get along with another Muslim ethnicity, and may even enemy of each other, but in the kind of circumstances Uighurs are, they cant afford to hate Huis......May be historically Uighurs and Huis did not get along well but in the present times the ones who are bullying them and annihilating their identity, are Hans-atheists-communists and Uighurs have every reason to hate them more than Huis or any other group.
The "Han-Chinese-Communists" in fact are doing the opposite of what you describe. They are propagating Uyghurs not as terrorists but as family. They are quite hot on Chinese TV, receive preferential treatment, and are exempt from population control applied to the Han majority.
 

HackneyedScribe

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Feb 2011
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This is old news, both her parents are back home after 4 months of silence. The dad says that he was too busy working as part of the Heqin (Chinese government says Heqin was designed to help develop marginalized families, Radio Free Asia claim it's to spy on families), and her mother was hospitalized in emergency care and didn't want their daughter to worry. The daughter doesn't believe them though, and indeed that story is fishy as that's something they should have told their daughter about. On the other hand, it's also fishy why the news blocked the phone number when they were video-tapping the phone conversation, I don't see the point of hiding that number unless if the phone number couldn't be confirmed to have came from the government in the first place.
 
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Dan Howard

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This is old news, both her parents are back home after 4 months of silence.
Four months of imprisonment, torture, and "re-education".

The dad says that he was too busy working as part of the Heqin
Because he was tortured until he agreed to tell this bogus story to the meda.

and her mother was hospitalized in emergency care...
Due to being tortured.

...and didn't want their daughter to worry.
She didn't want her daughter to be picked up and tortured too.
 
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HackneyedScribe

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Feb 2011
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That's your opinion, I don't see how you are so sure of it without further evidence. You can deny every testimony you don't like as "fake, tortured to say it, made-up, brainwashed". Why then do you not put doubt on contrary testimony as people wanting a US green card? It's common news in China and even the Epoch Times, the most anti-CCP people out there admits that they deal with a lot of fake persecutions for purpose of getting a green card. So if you doubt one side over the other, then one side better have more evidence than the other. Just because the testimony is sad doesn't mean we should give it more benefit of the doubt than any other type of testimony. The same standard still applies.

Also the entire story is from their daughter's side, the parents didn't speak to the media. We only know what their parents said because of the daughter's narrative. Neither the government nor the parents said anything to the media about it.
 
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HackneyedScribe

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Feb 2011
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As I said, there's a reason I don't accept anecdotal evidence. I don't accept anecdotal evidence from the Chinese side, ergo by the same standard I don't accept anecdotal evidence from the other side either. Otherwise it's "double standard". If you want to use anecdotal evidence, then there's plenty of those telling the other side of the story too, it's just that whatever you watch make no mention of it.

^I don't use that for a reason, and for the same reason the same type of evidence from the other side is also dismissed.
 
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