- Feb 2011
Asking you to read what you disagreed with is something that needs "toning down"? And as shown below in your very post you commit the same mistake once again. You keep accusing others of not having sources despite them having already provided them.Tone it down a notch , will you
I said the road is 20 meters wide. What types of explanation or data is required? How is that claim dubious?You're making extremely dubious claims without providing clear explanations or data......
Maps can be found in the links provided before. Please read. Anyway, if I provide a map will that make you believe about the width of the Qin Zhi Dao? No? Then why bother asking?Where is the map of this road ? Why is not paved, at least in sections ?... like any decent roman road or for that matter chinese road
I don't know why you bring paving into it. The point is wide roads facilitate travel of large armies. Paving affects maintenance, not how wide the road is. Please stop throwing out distractions from the point.
If the claim is highly controversial, then you are saying there are authors who disagree and do NOT think wide roads facilitate the travel of large armies. Please provide such authors who disagree and their relevant quotes. All I see is you taking the word of my source way too literally. The point is about wide roads facilitating the travel of large armies. If armies don't walk on a road as you say, ie having a fair portion of the columns walk outside of the road, then please explain how that facilitates travel of large armies. Sounds like it just defeats the point of the question.And this claims is highly controversial
If the roads being used were built primarily for trade and were thus single-file in each direction, the army would be limited to a column of twos and would stretch 12,000 m (7.4 miles), adding 3 to 5 hours to the time required for the army to assemble at the end of the march,
Firstly roads built for trade are not necessarily single file in each direction... Secondly the military are not, as this author seems to imply, idiots... They do not have to walk SOLELY on a road.....
Why do you ignore the evidence I provided? Stop asking for sourcing that I already provided. You need to improve your reading. I copy/paste what was given:If you're gonna claim that the chinese had 20 meter wide roads (vs a maximum of 12 for the romans) and in places up to 60, you'd better provide some serious and solid data....Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence...... It should not be so hard... Such a road should have left archaelogical evidence AND in a highly organzied society such as the Chinese one, lots of records....
Twitchett and Loewe (1986, 101) dispute the possibility of imperial roads this wide, but their conjecture must now be amended in light of excavated roads. In Shaanxi, remnants of the Qin-Han road seem to be 45m wide and more. In several places, the road seems to be 50-60m, as reported by Wang Zijin (1994a, 33). However, Wang, suspects, probably correctly, that "this distinction between imperial and nonimperial lanes probably petered out some distance from the capital." -Highways, Byways, and Road Systems in the Pre-Modern World, pg 57
Wang Zijin (王子今 is a professor in Qin/Han histories in ZhongGuoRenMinDaXueXueYuan.
The "Straight Road" did not utilize the old roads of the Warring States Period; it was built from nothing and connected the north and south of the country. The relics of the "Straight Road" can still be identified today in some counties of Shaanxi Province, such as Chunhua, Xunyi, Huangling, and Ganquan. Several remnants of the "Strait Road" which have been discovered are 50-60 m wide.-An Introduction to Chinese History and Culture by Qizhi Zhang, pg 85
QiZhiZhang was the president of Norwest University and focuses on Chinese History and Culture.
现已发现的秦直道遗迹最宽处 50 余米,转弯处最大半径近 50 — 60 米,一般为 30 米至 40 米。路基坚实,夯打坚硬。-亲物质文化史，‎呼林贵 pg 213
Translation: As of today the parts of the Qin Zhi Dao which were discovered measures over 50 meters at its widest, while at the turning points it is close to 50-60 meters. Average width is 30-40 meters. The roadbed is solid due to the hard pounding.
HuLinGUi is an academic researcher of history in Shaanxi Archaeology Research Center.
Once again you FAIL to READ. Seriously. Stop asking for sourcing that were already provided. If you have data about the Qin Zhi Dao being some other width, then please provide your own source. If you disagree with the author, then provide your own countesources rather than your opinion. If the claim about wide roads is "highly controversial", then why don't you provide sources that say other wise? If it is highly controversial, then that means there are authors that say otherwise, yet all I see is your personal opinion again and again.