Dark Emu II: Precolonial Australian societies tilled the land

May 2011
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Rural Australia
#61
From that article:

Two largely overlooked environmental studies had previously detected strong evidence of firestick farming used to deforest land at two sites almost 130,000 years ago. The first site is at Lake George, New South Wales and the second at the Great Barrier Reef, Queensland. The controversial early dating for a human presence suggested in both these studies was largely ignored. The depth of aboriginal inhabitation has long been a thorny political issue in modern Australia.​
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Jim Bowler understands the controversy, having been embroiled in one over the Lake Mungo remains, he also recognises that there will be many scientists seeking to dismiss his team’s tentative findings.​
Bowler explains that the site, “It presents the probability of people here on coastal Victoria 120,000 years ago. If correct, that would double the time of human occupation. That is a big jump to make. It will not be widely accepted until the evidence is definitive. Aware of that limitation, we have put this current evidence to the public. Each may make up their own minds.”
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May 2011
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#63
:) Are we 'out of Australia'? Or regional origination?
By "out of Australia" are you referring to this theory?
The First Race: Out-of-*Australia, Not Africa! | Sovereign Union - First Nations Asserting Sovereignty

IMO insufficient data at the moment.

This article makes some claims. Are they able to be validated?

* BOOMERANG: The oldest boomerang discovered in the world was found at Wyrie Swamp, South Australia, and is dated at 10,200 years.

* AXES: the oldest axe in the world, dated at 40,000 years, was found at Huon Terrace PNG (which was part of the Australian mainland until 8,000 years ago), others discovered in Jaowyn land, Northern Territory (35,500 years), at Sandy Creek, Queensland (32,000 years) and Malangangerr Northern Territory (23,000), are all at least 8,000 years older than the first axe found outside Australia (Niah Cave, Sarawak, 15,000 years).

* BOATS: Bradshaw art of the Kimberley area ... Within this area, he has discovered the oldest paintings of boats in the world, dated at a minimum age of 17,000 years, but with the strong possibility of being up to 50,000 years old ... "33 Walsh insisted that the "high prow of the boat"34 is "unnecessary for boats used in calm, inland waters. The design suggests it was used on the open ocean."

* DNA: Some stuff about mtDNA

* Questioning Out-of-Africa
 
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May 2011
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Rural Australia
#64
As I understand the proposed theory of the history of the population of Australia by the earliest people it involves the most recent "dispersal" "Out of Africa".

Recent African origin of modern humans - Wikipedia

The most significant "recent" wave took place about 70,000 years ago,[6][7] via the so-called "Southern Route", spreading rapidly along the coast of Asia and reaching Australia by around 65,000–50,000 years ago.​
The discovery of people in Australia 80,000 years ago (or perhaps even earlier) implies some revision of the OOA theory.​
 
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specul8

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Oct 2016
3,355
Australia
#65
:) Are we 'out of Australia'? Or regional origination?
INTO Africa Theory.

- I leave the 'out of (insert name of your country here ) theories' to you guys ;)

The Out of Europe/Asia & Into Africa Theory of Human Origins – New Paper Calls for Paradigm Displacement



We do have some 'Out of Australia' kooks here though ;


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Steven and Evan Strong join us from New South Wales, Australia to discuss
their claim that Aboriginal people set sail from Australia, 50,000 years ago.

:rolleyes:

They ran 'workshops' and 'lectures' in Australian regional towns that had people with 'alternative interests'

.... if they could get them to turn up :)


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specul8

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Oct 2016
3,355
Australia
#66
By "out of Australia" are you referring to this theory?
The First Race: Out-of-*Australia, Not Africa! | Sovereign Union - First Nations Asserting Sovereignty

IMO insufficient data at the moment.

This article makes some claims. Are they able to be validated?

* BOOMERANG: The oldest boomerang discovered in the world was found at Wyrie Swamp, South Australia, and is dated at 10,200 years.

* AXES: the oldest axe in the world, dated at 40,000 years, was found at Huon Terrace PNG (which was part of the Australian mainland until 8,000 years ago), others discovered in Jaowyn land, Northern Territory (35,500 years), at Sandy Creek, Queensland (32,000 years) and Malangangerr Northern Territory (23,000), are all at least 8,000 years older than the first axe found outside Australia (Niah Cave, Sarawak, 15,000 years).

* BOATS: Bradshaw art of the Kimberley area ... Within this area, he has discovered the oldest paintings of boats in the world, dated at a minimum age of 17,000 years, but with the strong possibility of being up to 50,000 years old ... "33 Walsh insisted that the "high prow of the boat"34 is "unnecessary for boats used in calm, inland waters. The design suggests it was used on the open ocean."

* DNA: Some stuff about mtDNA

* Questioning Out-of-Africa

" The Forgotten Exodus offers fresh interpretations that differ considerably from those embraced by many mainstream scientists. Neanderthals are found to be an Asiatic rather than European hominin; the Denisovan homeland is located firmly in Oceania, not Siberia. A population expansion from Northern Sahul sometime after the Lake Toba supervolcanic eruption replaces the Recent Out of Africa migration hypothesis. "

https://www.amazon.com.au/Forgotten-Exodus-Africa-Theory-Evolution-ebook/dp/B06Y4DL61F

So, not an origin but a population expansion from 'Australia' .


regarding origins ( within THIS theory ) ;

Eurasian origin ; The Out of Europe/Asia & Into Africa Theory of Human Origins – New Paper Calls for Paradigm Displacement


PS. Regarding your link above , 'First race out of Africa not Australia' seems to rely on the material put forward by the Strong Brothers. I would be VERY cautious there. if you have not followed these guys 'work' and just look at their recent stuff, it doesnt seem so bad. But in the past ( and still recently they tout the 'Australian Egyptian Hieroglyphs' BS and before that it was all alien reptilian invader garbage .

Now they on this bandwagon - its a shame as it may end up discrediting or causing doubt about valid Aboriginal claims
 
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specul8

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Oct 2016
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#67
As I understand the proposed theory of the history of the population of Australia by the earliest people it involves the most recent "dispersal" "Out of Africa".

Recent African origin of modern humans - Wikipedia

The most significant "recent" wave took place about 70,000 years ago,[6][7] via the so-called "Southern Route", spreading rapidly along the coast of Asia and reaching Australia by around 65,000–50,000 years ago.​
The discovery of people in Australia 80,000 years ago (or perhaps even earlier) implies some revision of the OOA theory.​
Yes, that is the RECENT and larger movement out of Africa, but they may have been earlier ones.

Ancient Chinese skulls that predate this movement show similarities to other ancient skulls in Morocco - which also shows a very early human presence - but it appears these people died out.
 
May 2011
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Rural Australia
#69
PS. Regarding your link above , 'First race out of Africa not Australia' seems to rely on the material put forward by the Strong Brothers. I would be VERY cautious there. if you have not followed these guys 'work' and just look at their recent stuff, it doesnt seem so bad. But in the past ( and still recently they tout the 'Australian Egyptian Hieroglyphs' BS and before that it was all alien reptilian invader garbage .

Now they on this bandwagon - its a shame as it may end up discrediting or causing doubt about valid Aboriginal claims
Yeah for sure. I'd not seen this stuff before, but the BS detector went off loud and clear - they need more evidence to get something like that off the ground.

Good point about ranking the many claims involved in the OP. I would be inclined to not even rank this one.

At the top of the list of the claims are those specific to agricultural practices.
 

specul8

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Oct 2016
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#70
]" Steven and Evan Strong join us from New South Wales, Australia to discuss their claim that Aboriginal people set sail from Australia, 50,000 years ago. They sailed to and settled in America and visited many other places including Egypt, Japan, Africa and India. Their theory states that Aboriginals, the first Homo sapiens who evolved before the sapiens of Africa, gave the world art, axes, religion, marine technology, culture, language and surgery. Weaved into this story is that of the Kariong Glyphs, a group of approximately 300 alleged Egyptian hieroglyphs in and around an area that is also known for its Aboriginal petroglyphs. "

[ Now .... where have I heard this idea before ..... :think:


"
The continent of Atlantis lower part of the world was an island
Which lay before the great flood
In the area we now call the Atlantic Southern Ocean
So great an area of land
That from her western shores
Those beautiful sailors journeyed
To the South and the North Americas with ease
In their ships with painted sails
To the East Africa was a neighbor
Across a short strait of sea miles

The great Egyptian age is
But a remnant of The Atlantian Australian culture
The antediluvian kings colonised the world
All the Gods who play in the mythological dramas
In all legends from all lands were from far Atlantis Australia

Knowing her fate
Atlantis Aboriginies sent out ships to all corners of the Earth
On board were the Twelve:

The poet, the physician, The farmer, the scientist
The magician and the other so-called Gods of our legends

Though Gods they were -
And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind
Let us rejoice
And let us sing
And dance and ring in the new
Hail Atlantis!
Australia


('Atlantis' by Donovan )

'Weaved into' the story from 50,000 years ago is ... something about Egyptian hieroglyphics (which where used from around 3300 BC to 200AD) .... which seems to have NOTHING to do with OOA ' theory ' BUT .... its in an area known for its petroglyphs .

What is THAT supposed to mean ????


Typical of this sort of rubbish ..... they make 'suggestions' which are then left to be linked together somehow or to suggest something ( we dont know as it is never explained ) to the brilliant deductive knowledge of those entirely igorant in the subject at hand .
 
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