Demographic reversals

Aug 2014
3,699
Australia
#11
Much before, for sure they were stablished there in 8th century; the Aeolian migration to Asia Minor probably started in the 11th century.

It is possible Mycaenean Greeks had some settlement there centuries before, but this is speculative.


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In the Iberian Peninsula, the settlement of thousands of Arabs and Berbers in a power position led to the mass transformatio of its demography into an Arab society.

The Reconquista turned the tide back, and by 1609 all the Arab-Muslim population had been expelled. In 21th century Spain, at least 900,000 Maghrebians live in the country, with significant proportions of them in the southern and eastern coastal areas. It is a demographic tide that move back and forth


In Tunisia and eastern Algeria, the settlement of Phoenicians and later the expansion of the Carthaginians led to the conversion of its population into Punic. A re-Berberization was just partial during Roman times, because most of the Punics were converted into Romans, in addition to a massive settlement of Romans from Italy. This process got a highmark around the 3rd century, and then started to reced, with larger and larger portions of the country returning to Berber, both demographically and politically. By the time of the Arab invasion, the Berberization was so heavy that their queen, Kahina, was the main obstacle to the Muslim expansion
No, it isn't speculative any more. There is enough archaeological evidence to support it. The latest is the dig at Gath.
New Excavation of Gath reveals Ancient Lie: The Philistines Weren't Vicious Enemy
 

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
13,832
SoCal
#12
Much before, for sure they were stablished there in 8th century; the Aeolian migration to Asia Minor probably started in the 11th century.

It is possible Mycaenean Greeks had some settlement there centuries before, but this is speculative.


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In the Iberian Peninsula, the settlement of thousands of Arabs and Berbers in a power position led to the mass transformatio of its demography into an Arab society.

The Reconquista turned the tide back, and by 1609 all the Arab-Muslim population had been expelled. In 21th century Spain, at least 900,000 Maghrebians live in the country, with significant proportions of them in the southern and eastern coastal areas. It is a demographic tide that move back and forth

In Tunisia and eastern Algeria, the settlement of Phoenicians and later the expansion of the Carthaginians led to the conversion of its population into Punic. A re-Berberization was just partial during Roman times, because most of the Punics were converted into Romans, in addition to a massive settlement of Romans from Italy. This process got a highmark around the 3rd century, and then started to reced, with larger and larger portions of the country returning to Berber, both demographically and politically. By the time of the Arab invasion, the Berberization was so heavy that their queen, Kahina, was the main obstacle to the Muslim expansion
What happened to the Roman population of Algeria? Did they gradually become Berbers or did most of them move out of Algeria and settle elsewhere?

Also, do you know how many Arabs and Berbers settled in Spain after the Muslim conquest?