Development of the so-called Jewish elite in the USA? Yes or No or Mixed?

VHS

Ad Honorem
Dec 2015
4,188
Brassicaland
#62
The Jews were safe in America. That was a development.

Also the national IQ average bumped up.
What do you mean by this?
Literacy is up; then, even in the developed world, 10%-50% of the adult population remains functional illiterate, which usually means literacy level below the elementary school (Grade 6) standard.
 

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
13,495
SoCal
#64
Some people like to cite the presence of American Jews in areas of influence, such as mass media, education, technological developments, science, academics and education, politics, and more.
Many would cite the disproportional percentage of American Jews in these areas.
I would like to ask if this is true or not or something mixed.
Jews' disproportionate representation in the elite of the U.S. (for instance, in the U.S. Congress) is at least largely explained by their higher than average IQ. Indeed, when a group's average IQ is higher than the nationwide average IQ, this group is likely to have disproportionate influence in this society due to the fact that this group would be extremely overrepresented at the right tail of the IQ bell curve.

This is similar to Chinese people having a disproportionate percentage of the wealth in Southeast Asia. Basically, the reason for this is the extremely high average IQ of the Chinese. Indeed, this is the same reason that Jews are extremely overrepresented among the wealthiest people in the U.S.
 

royal744

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Jul 2013
9,724
San Antonio, Tx
#66
Lip service??:lol: Pressured by Jerusalem's toadies here, the US has shelled out way over $150 BILLION to Israel. You call that "lip service"??
As for Saudi Arabia wielding more influence than Israel, history shows otherwise. Again, egged on by the zionist lobby, the US sacrificed its principal interest, access to Mideast oil, to back Israel in the '73 war.
We don’t need middle eastern oil at all. We have more than enough right here. American business interests reap the benefits of developing ME oil sources and US oil technology is quite good and exportable. Our oil imports - such as they are - are mostly from Canada and Mexico and some from Venezuela.

American support for Israel stems from the horrors of the Holocaust, and even then it wasn’t inevitable at the time. Personally, I wish the Jews had all migrated to the US after WW2, but US immigration policy would never have allowed that and the US was not the ancestral homeland of the Jews.

I find myself disagreeing with many of Prime Minister Netanyahu’s bombastic pronouncements, but as long as there is an Israel, the US will support it.
 

royal744

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Jul 2013
9,724
San Antonio, Tx
#67
He didn't mention "all powerful domination" or anything of the sort, he just asked if they had disproportionate influence. :confused:
Well, if you’re smart, work harder, keep your nose to the grindstone and push educational achievement, of course you’re going to eventually have what some might view as “disproportionate influence”. A better question might be why other groups don’t do the same thing.
 

royal744

Ad Honorem
Jul 2013
9,724
San Antonio, Tx
#68
:lol: There is no suggestion (in Walt and Mearsheimer's book), that jews flew the planes into the WTC or the pentagon. Rather, the authors show that US support for Israel (forced on us by the pro-Israel lobby) was a key motivating factor for the attacks (i.e. they were in retaliation for US aid to Israel). This was also the conclusion of the 9/11 Commission but not surprisingly, it was drowned out by drivel about "terrorists trying to take away our freedom."
So in conclusion, the 9-11 attack was caused by angry Arabs.
 

arkteia

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Nov 2012
4,386
Seattle
#69
Jews' disproportionate representation in the elite of the U.S. (for instance, in the U.S. Congress) is at least largely explained by their higher than average IQ. Indeed, when a group's average IQ is higher than the nationwide average IQ, this group is likely to have disproportionate influence in this society due to the fact that this group would be extremely overrepresented at the right tail of the IQ bell curve.

This is similar to Chinese people having a disproportionate percentage of the wealth in Southeast Asia. Basically, the reason for this is the extremely high average IQ of the Chinese. Indeed, this is the same reason that Jews are extremely overrepresented among the wealthiest people in the U.S.
IQ is a very complicated thing. The benefits of the tests used today are that they are normed, the drawbacks, that if IQ is high and yet the person is not performing well, academically, often the tests provide no explanation as to why it is so.

Moreover, we are discussing "academic IQ". While many tests have demonstrated that "social IQ" might play much higher role in a person's advancement - yet tests to measure "social IQ" are yet to be developed. So to state that certain ethnic groups are having disproportionate influence because of their higher IQ may not even be right (maybe it is their social IQ that plays the role? And we have not yet been measuring it?)
 

VHS

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Dec 2015
4,188
Brassicaland
#70
IQ is a very complicated thing. The benefits of the tests used today are that they are normed, the drawbacks, that if IQ is high and yet the person is not performing well, academically, often the tests provide no explanation as to why it is so.

Moreover, we are discussing "academic IQ". While many tests have demonstrated that "social IQ" might play much higher role in a person's advancement - yet tests to measure "social IQ" are yet to be developed. So to state that certain ethnic groups are having disproportionate influence because of their higher IQ may not even be right (maybe it is their social IQ that plays the role? And we have not yet been measuring it?)
Intelligence is a very complicated subject.
For example, a person can be an accomplished craftsperson and engineer without being a literary person; the unfortunate fact for the ancient Chinese is almost all focuses are on literary intelligence.
Or, some people may be accomplished poets without the political aptitude.
 

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