Development of the so-called Jewish elite in the USA? Yes or No or Mixed?

Futurist

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IQ is a very complicated thing. The benefits of the tests used today are that they are normed, the drawbacks, that if IQ is high and yet the person is not performing well, academically, often the tests provide no explanation as to why it is so.

Moreover, we are discussing "academic IQ". While many tests have demonstrated that "social IQ" might play much higher role in a person's advancement - yet tests to measure "social IQ" are yet to be developed. So to state that certain ethnic groups are having disproportionate influence because of their higher IQ may not even be right (maybe it is their social IQ that plays the role? And we have not yet been measuring it?)
I don't know about social IQ or whether it can even be measured, but academic IQ predicts a country's GDP per capita very well if the country involved doesn't have either a Communist legacy or a resource/tourism windfall:

Education as the Elixir of Growth III, by Anatoly Karlin - The Unz Review

I don't see why exactly the same thing wouldn't likewise be true for individuals.
 
Jun 2012
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Jews' disproportionate representation in the elite of the U.S. (for instance, in the U.S. Congress) is at least largely explained by their higher than average IQ. Indeed, when a group's average IQ is higher than the nationwide average IQ, this group is likely to have disproportionate influence in this society due to the fact that this group would be extremely overrepresented at the right tail of the IQ bell curve.

This is similar to Chinese people having a disproportionate percentage of the wealth in Southeast Asia. Basically, the reason for this is the extremely high average IQ of the Chinese. Indeed, this is the same reason that Jews are extremely overrepresented among the wealthiest people in the U.S.
Naah. Not really. Wealth & financial achievement does not hv all that much to do with sheer academic intelligence. It is more to do with prudent financial management (which is more about commons sense than any Einteinian-grade intelligence), the skill of sizing up business & other wealth-generating opportunity & then working them to fruition (which comes with robust life experiences, often earned the hard way, for which immigrant communities usually hv a substantial advantage cf native-born, local communities), sheer hard work & dedication (again their relatively more challenging immigrant background tends to make an edge).

Same for their comparative success in academic field. It's not due to their inherently higher quality grey matter. But more their focus, commitment, sheer hard work & dedication (again not a little due to their immigrant background). Anything else attributed to superior inborn intelligence is just utter hearsay & ethnic-nationalistic BS.

In my engineering undergraduate class in England, the top three students were an English girl, a Greek dude & an Indian geezer. There were a few Chinese, but none of them were any much better compared to me. And I also doubt that that if there were any Jews, they wud hv automatically done better than the top three I mentioned.
 

arkteia

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Nov 2012
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Naah. Not really. Wealth & financial achievement does not hv all that much to do with sheer academic intelligence. It is more to do with prudent financial management (which is more about commons sense than any Einteinian-grade intelligence), the skill of sizing up business & other wealth-generating opportunity & then working them to fruition (which comes with robust life experiences, often earned the hard way, for which immigrant communities usually hv a substantial advantage cf native-born, local communities), sheer hard work & dedication (again their relatively more challenging immigrant background tends to make an edge).

Same for their comparative success in academic field. It's not due to their inherently higher quality grey matter. But more their focus, commitment, sheer hard work & dedication (again not a little due to their immigrant background). Anything else attributed to superior inborn intelligence is just utter hearsay & ethnic-nationalistic BS.

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Regarding sheer common sense. Hjalmar Schacht, the famous financier, was, per his own admission, not good at math at school. It might have stayed with him even later, as some of his colleagues were surprised at this fact. He said that to be a successful banker, one did not need to be a math whiz. One merely has to understand the direction of the movement of the money streams. Something similar to what you said about common sense.

As to immigrants, I think they just admit that their lives are totally messed up by the relocation and become workaholics, so that their kids can fare better. At this, they make one grave mistake, they compare their kids with their friends' ones. It is an interesting phenomenon, second generation immigrants are usually really successful, but among homebred terrorists, the percent of second generation ones is 65, and falls to 35% in the third generation. The biggest identity crisis is usually seen in the second generation immigrants
 

Guaporense

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I don't know about social IQ or whether it can even be measured, but academic IQ predicts a country's GDP per capita very well if the country involved doesn't have either a Communist legacy or a resource/tourism windfall:

Education as the Elixir of Growth III, by Anatoly Karlin - The Unz Review

I don't see why exactly the same thing wouldn't likewise be true for individuals.
IQ in country wide sense is determined by the quality of education which is highly correlated with GDP level.

Jews also have more money which they use to improve their education and hence IQ scores. Casualty is then reversed.
 

Futurist

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pugsville

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Anatoly Karlin used Italy to demonstrate why education spending doesn't matter much--if it even matters at all, that is:

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/italy-why-human-capital-matters/
it does no such thing. correlation is not causation. just because there are large number of factors and money/resources is the only or sole determining factor, does not mean statements like "spending doesn't matter much - if it even matters at all" are in any way valid.

numbers don't always bring victory in the battlefield. there are large number of factors, but turning up consistently being outnumbered is rarely a successful policy.
 

arkteia

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arkteia

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A high IQ is often a handicap , it has little correlation with social success

From Mensa , they should know
Mensa Australia: The genius lives in low and middle income suburbs
It may not be a handicap if the person is working with an understanding boss with high social IQ. But statistically, Menza-level people's performance deteriorates in two circumstances:

A) the boss has changed
B) the person is promoted to be the boss

This is why there is such a need in CEOs with high emotional IQ who could tie up all these gifted people into a good network.