Development of the so-called Jewish elite in the USA? Yes or No or Mixed?

starman

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Jan 2014
4,081
Connecticut
#81
We don’t need middle eastern oil at all. We have more than enough right here. American business interests reap the benefits of developing ME oil sources and US oil technology is quite good and exportable. Our oil imports - such as they are - are mostly from Canada and Mexico and some from Venezuela.
There's no doubt that Mideast oil is critically important to the economies of the West and Asia. I very much doubted the claim that the US was going to war in '91 to maintain the rule of law and oil had nothing to do with it. Even if the US itself is not dependent on mideast crude as it once was, loss of it could still severely impact the nations it is closest too politically and economically.
The US may have plenty of oil but fracking, needed to recover much of it, wouldn't be economically feasible if the price of oil fell significantly.

American support for Israel stems from the horrors of the Holocaust,
It clearly stems from the clout of the pro-Israel lobby, which would've forced us to back Israel even had there been no holocaust.

I find myself disagreeing with many of Prime Minister Netanyahu’s bombastic pronouncements, but as long as there is an Israel, the US will support it.
I think at some future point the costs and consequences of such a policy will reach a breaking point....
 

Lucius

Forum Staff
Jan 2007
16,363
Nebraska
#82
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/culture/features/1478/index1.html

The best predictor of one's IQ is the IQ of his parents, and so, their parents and so on back through the centuries. In Europe, those centuries were marked by periodic mass murder sprees against the Jews. In those instances, brawn was no help. Only brains would suffice to survive; survive long enough to produce children.
It was as if Europe had conducted an ad hoc centuries-long experiment to see if an "elite" super-brainy race could be produced by allowing only the Jews who had the wit to hide out whenever there was a forest fire or a crop failure or a flood or an earthquake or a spooky cloud formation, etc.

Superstition informed the thought processes of the rustics, and killing Jews was thought to placate God. And so, the Ashkenaic Jews got smarter and smarter(especially about being somewhere else when the murder gangs kicked down the door and the the less intelligent Jews were killed off.

To quote the article above, "23 per thousand Ashkenazim have an IQ over 140, as opposed to 4 per thousand Northern Europeans."

Centuries of killing the less intelligent Jews left only the very intelligent to marry each other and have very,very intelligent offspring.

The Sephardic Jews remained in their Middle-eastern homelands, and so, escaped the "experiment" and remained normal, IQ-wise.
 

arkteia

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Nov 2012
4,723
Seattle
#83
Are Jews Smarter? What Genetic Science Tells Us

The best predictor of one's IQ is the IQ of his parents, and so, their parents and so on back through the centuries. In Europe, those centuries were marked by periodic mass murder sprees against the Jews. In those instances, brawn was no help. Only brains would suffice to survive; survive long enough to produce children.
It was as if Europe had conducted an ad hoc centuries-long experiment to see if an "elite" super-brainy race could be produced by allowing only the Jews who had the wit to hide out whenever there was a forest fire or a crop failure or a flood or an earthquake or a spooky cloud formation, etc.

Superstition informed the thought processes of the rustics, and killing Jews was thought to placate God. And so, the Ashkenaic Jews got smarter and smarter(especially about being somewhere else when the murder gangs kicked down the door and the the less intelligent Jews were killed off.

To quote the article above, "23 per thousand Ashkenazim have an IQ over 140, as opposed to 4 per thousand Northern Europeans."

Centuries of killing the less intelligent Jews left only the very intelligent to marry each other and have very,very intelligent offspring.

The Sephardic Jews remained in their Middle-eastern homelands, and so, escaped the "experiment" and remained normal, IQ-wise.
Main factor for Jewish IQ : Jewish mothers. :)


(As to the rest: tracing the family history.

How to avoid Gulag: high social IQ.

How to survive in Gilag: genius academic IQ + practical area of expertise)

About Ashkenazis vs Sephardic Jews. Ashkenazi Jews retain about 50% of original Palestine ethnicity, the rest are admixtures picked up in diaspora. So how do we know it is the Jewishness that correlates with high IQ and not, say, Viking admixture? ;)

Or are we noticing one "hump" of bimodal distribution observed in an endogamous population? (These would be your 23%). And there might be another hump that is not noticed?

Also, two very intelligent people might produce a genius, but his son, likely, will be merely very intelligent. The nature views top 2% and bottom 2% as equally anomalous; the stability of the population is in the middle.

I would argue that maybe about Jews, there is the learned behavior that comes from centuries of pogroms: to save the smartest ones (as seen in the film "the Pianist"). And perhaps other ethnic groups that went through similar experiences (e.g. Armenians) have similar patterns.

In Soviet Union, Jews and Armenians were considered equally smart, and one more thing: you would never find a Jewish or an Armenian kid in an orphanage, they would be all placed into relatives' families.
 

arkteia

Ad Honorem
Nov 2012
4,723
Seattle
#84
American support for Israel stems from the horrors of the Holocaust
I thought so, too, until I spoke with some Episcopalian groups. There is some firmly planted belief that in Apocalypse, or maybe Armageddon, Israel will save. So the politicians are, essentially, saving Israel for themselves.
 

VHS

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Dec 2015
4,547
Florania
#86
Main factor for Jewish IQ : Jewish mothers. :)


(As to the rest: tracing the family history.

How to avoid Gulag: high social IQ.

How to survive in Gilag: genius academic IQ + practical area of expertise)

About Ashkenazis vs Sephardic Jews. Ashkenazi Jews retain about 50% of original Palestine ethnicity, the rest are admixtures picked up in diaspora. So how do we know it is the Jewishness that correlates with high IQ and not, say, Viking admixture? ;)

Or are we noticing one "hump" of bimodal distribution observed in an endogamous population? (These would be your 23%). And there might be another hump that is not noticed?

Also, two very intelligent people might produce a genius, but his son, likely, will be merely very intelligent. The nature views top 2% and bottom 2% as equally anomalous; the stability of the population is in the middle.

I would argue that maybe about Jews, there is the learned behavior that comes from centuries of pogroms: to save the smartest ones (as seen in the film "the Pianist"). And perhaps other ethnic groups that went through similar experiences (e.g. Armenians) have similar patterns.

In Soviet Union, Jews and Armenians were considered equally smart, and one more thing: you would never find a Jewish or an Armenian kid in an orphanage, they would be all placed into relatives' families.
Some would mention the abysmal cultural contributions of Armenians.
Jews, however, have had scientific, literary, philosophical, and many other contributions.
Imagine Western civilizations without Jewish contributions.
 

arkteia

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Nov 2012
4,723
Seattle
#87
Some would mention the abysmal cultural contributions of Armenians.
Jews, however, have had scientific, literary, philosophical, and many other contributions.
Imagine Western civilizations without Jewish contributions.
Jews were simply part of Western civilization. They lived in Europe, they spoke adapted German (Yiddish), anyone who read memories of Gluckel von Hameln (especially what she wrote about god) and then listened to modern Protestants can see striking similarities. Many Jews converted, and I am positive that were it not for the Pale, even more would have done it.

Armenians lived under the Ottoman Empire for too long and it must have limited their contributions into other areas.

You should mention the contribution of Jewish astrologers and Kabbalists looking for "the philosopher's stone" into the development of chemistry.
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
4,792
Sydney
#88
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One of the largest contribution was by the Nobel prize of chemistry Fritz Haber
for long the pride of German Jews
discovering the synthesis of ammonia led to cheap fertilizers , elimination the threat of famine in many countries
Wanting to bring his talent to help the Waterland ,he also was insistent in using chemical gas during WW1 ,
under his instruction Chlorine gas was used at Ypres , then he developed more efficient gases

his wife the first German women to have a master in chemistry committed suicide at the horror of it

his research team also perfected the delivery of Cyanidric acid for an insecticide called Zyklon B
 

arkteia

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Nov 2012
4,723
Seattle
#89
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One of the largest contribution was by the Nobel prize of chemistry Fritz Haber
for long the pride of German Jews
discovering the synthesis of ammonia led to cheap fertilizers , elimination the threat of famine in many countries
Wanting to bring his talent to help the Waterland ,he also was insistent in using chemical gas during WW1 ,
under his instruction Chlorine gas was used at Ypres , then he developed more efficient gases

his wife the first German women to have a master in chemistry committed suicide at the horror of it

his research team also perfected the delivery of Cyanidric acid for an insecticide called Zyklon B
With all respect, it is far from the Jewish elites. We then can remind ourselves about Oppenheimer and the A-bomb... if engineers or chemists participate in what at the time is considered necessary for the country, it is nor elite, it is progress (as chemical warfare is still military progress).

I could ask more touchy questions about the Jews in revolution or NKVD, but I probably know the answers, too.
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
4,792
Sydney
#90
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Intelligence or IQ or how smart you are is dirt and vomit unless there is a good heart to guide it

give me a dumb arsed yokel which has compassion any day over any geniuses tinkering with power