Did any Noble have a more impressive lineup of titles than Emperor Charles Habsburg V?

Theodoric

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Charles V - 1500 to 1558

Emperor Of: Holy Roman Empire, Spanish Empire (As Charles I).
King Of: The Romans, Naples, Catile, Leon, Aragon, Sicily.
Archduke Of: Austria.
Prince (or Duke/Margrave) Of: Burgundy, Brabant, Lothier, Limburg, Luxembourg, Namur, Guelders.
Count Of: Barcelona, Burgundy, Artois, Charolais, Flanders, Hainault, Holland, Zeeland, Zutphen.
Viceroyalties created: New Spain (1535), Peru (1542).

With all those titles and lands and those effectively under his sway, he is sometimes dubbed the "Holy S___ Roman Emperor"

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If his European titles weren't impressive enough, his world holdings were something to behold - The first Empire described as "The Empire where the sun never set" before the term became associated with the British later on:
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Of course, while Charles did manage to push his influence across a significant portion of the world, he was born with a diamond spoon in his mouth. He owes everything to the great starting position he received from the luck of the inheritance draw being the heir of three of Europe's most powerful dynasties: Habsburg, Valois, and Trastámara.


For further reading, Sources:
Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor - Wikipedia
https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Charles-V-so-important-in-the-16th-century
 

MAGolding

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IMHO the European with the right to use the most titles was Emperor Franz Joseph I of Austria.

You get Charles V's titles wrong. His imperial title was Emperor of the Romans. He never claimed to be any type of Spanish Emperor. As Emperor of the Romans he was the rightful ruler of EVERYWHERE, so he saw no need to use another imperial title.

And the title of King of the Romans was not a royal title. It meant Emperor of the Romans but not yet crowned. The King of the Romans had all the power and rights of the Emperor of the Romans but didn't yet use the title of Emperor.

Here is the title that Charles V used in 1530:

Emperor of the Romans;
King in Germany, of Castilia, Aragon, Leon, both Sicilies, Jerusalem, Hungary, Dalmatia, Croatia, Navarra, Grenada, Toledo, Valencia, Galicia, Majorca, Sevilla, Sardinia, Cordova, Corsica, Murcia, Jaen, the Algarves, Algeciras, Gibraltar, the Islands of Canary , of the Indies, Mainland of the Ocean sea;
Archduke of Austria;
Duke of Burgundy, Brabant, Lotharingia, Styria, Carinthia, Carniola, Limburg, Luxembourg, Gelderland, Athens, Neopatria, Württemberg;
Landgrave of Alsace;
Prince of Swabia, Asturia, Catalonia;
Count of Flanders, Habsburg, Tyrol, Gorizia, Barcelona, Artois, Burgundy Palatine, Hainaut, Holland, Seeland, Ferrette, Kyburg, Namur, Roussillon, Cerdagne, Zutphen,
Margrave of Burgau, Oristano, Gociano, the Holy Roman Empire;
Lord of Frisia, the Wendish March, Pordenone, Biscay, Molin, Salins, Tripoli, Mechelen;
Germany. Titles of European hereditary rulers

Here is the title of Emperor Charles VI from 1711 to 1740:

Emperor of the Romans;
King in Germany, of Castile, Leon, Aragon, both Sicilies, Jerusalem, Hungary, Bohemia, Dalmatia, Croatia, Slavonia, Navarra, Grenada, Toledo, Valencia, Galicia, Majorca, Sevilla, Sardinia, Cordova, Corsica, Murcia, Jaen, the Algarve, Algeciras, Gibraltar, the Canary Islands, East & West Indias, the Islands & Mainland of the Ocean sea;
Archduke of Austria;
Duke of Burgundy, etc., etc. etc.,...
The title of Francis II in 1804:

Emperor of the Romans;
Emperor of Austria;
King in Germany,
King of Jerusalem, Hungary, Bohemia, Dalmatia, Croatia, Slavonia, Galicia, Lodomeria;
Archduke of Austria;
Duke of Lorraine, Venice, Salzburg, Styria, Carinthia, Carniola;
Grand Prince of Transylvania; etc., etc., etc.,...
Germany. Titles of European hereditary rulers

From 1850-1866 the grand form the Austrian Emperor's title was:

Emperor of Austria;
King of Hungary, Bohemia;
King of Lombardy, Venetia, Dalmatia, Croatia, Slavonia, Galicia, Lodomeria, Illyria;
King of Jerusalem;
Archduke of Austria;
Grand Duke of Tuscany, Crakow;
Duke of Lorraine, Salzburg, Styria, Carinthia, Carniola, the Bukovina; etc.,etc., etc.,...
Austria III. Titles of European hereditary rulers

But from 1866-1918 the Austrian Emperor's title in Hungary was:

Emperor of Austria,
King of Hungary, Bohemia, Dalmatia, Croatia, Slavonia, Galicia, Lodomeria, Rama, Serbia, Cumania, Bulgaria, Illyria, Jerusalem;
Archduke of Austria;
Grand Duke of Tuscany, Crakow;
Duke of Lorraine, Salzburg, Styria, Carinthia, Carniola, the Bukowina;
Grand Prince of Transylvania; etct., etc., etc.,...
Hungary. Titles of European hereditary rulers

In the Austrian form of the title the Hungarian group of kingdoms included Hungary, Croatia, Dalmatia, Slavonia, Galicia, and Lodomeria, while in the Hungaraian form of the title the Hungarian group of kingdoms included Hungary, Croatia, Dalmatia, Slavonia, Galicia, Lodomeria, Rama, Serbia, Cumania, and Bulgaria, thus including four more titular kingdoms.

And you will notice that Emperor Franz Joseph used the titles of grand Duke of Tuscany and Duke of Modena from 1849, despite the fact that two of his cousins ruled those two realms. So apparently Franz Joseph considered himself entitled to use the titles of his relatives.

I think that most readers wouldn't want to check every title used by every Habsburg ruler and count up the total number of titles used, as well as the total number of lordships, the total number of countships, the total number of dukeships, and the total number of Kingdoms to decide who used the most titles or the most titles of any specific rank.

And most readers wouldn't want to compare it to the full version of the Russian imperial title which in 1917 was:

Emperor & Autocrat of all Russia,
of Moscow, Kiev, Vladimir, Novgorod [the Great];
Czar of Kazan, Astrakhan, Poland, Siberia, Tauric Chersonese, Georgia;
Lord of Pskov;
Grand Prince of Smolensk, Lithuania, Volhynia; Podolia, Finland;
Prince of Estonia, Livonia, Courland & Semigalia, Samogitia, Bialystok, Karelia, Tver, Ugra, Perm,
Viatka, Bulgaria; etc., etc., etc.,...
Russia. Titles of European hereditary rulers

Nor with the full titles of the King of Prussia:

Brandenburg II and Prussia. Titles of European hereditary rulers

Nor the Ottoman Padishah:

List of sultans of the Ottoman Empire - Metapedia

Nor the titles of María del Rosario Cayetana Fitz-James Stuart y Silva, 18th Duchess of Alba, (1926-2014) who the Guinness Book of World Records claimed was the most titled aristocrat on Earth. Cayetana Fitz-James Stuart, 18th Duchess of Alba - Wikipedia

It will be noted that Emperor Franz Joseph used the titles of several realms that he didn't rule, realms that he or his ancestors claimed to be rightful rulers of but lost in various wars. And so Emperor Franz Joseph could have used all the titles used by earlier Habsburg rulers listed in this post, claiming to still be the rightful ruler of them.

And something that is not very well known is that Emperor Franz Joseph could have claimed all the thrones in Europe that he didn't claim and that his ancestors didn't claim either.Through various marriages the Habsburgs gained claims to all the thrones in Europe. Sometimes the best possible hereditary claim, sometimes second or third best, etc., and usually multiple claims from multiple marriages over the centuries. So Emperor Franz Joseph could have claimed every kingdom in Europe, and many more duchies and counties than he did.

But when Emperor Franz Joseph died in 1916 his claims could have been split up among his three different potential heirs, though of course there was no discussion at the time about dividing up the various titles that Franz Joseph didn't actually claim. Thus the claims to the different kingdoms of Europe might be considered today to be split up among the heirs of the three potential heirs of Emperor Franz Joseph.

Franz Joseph's heirs by male preference primogeniture are:

1) Archduchess Elizabeth (1883-1963). Granddaughter. Daughter of Crown Prince Rudolph (1858-1889).
2) Prince Franz Josef of Windisch-Graetz(1904-1981). Son.
3) Guillaume, Prince of Windisch-Graetz (born 1950). Son.

Franz Joseph's heirs by agnatic (male only primogeniture are:

1) Maximilian, Duke of Hohenberg (1902-1962). Grand nephew, son of Archduke Franz Ferdinand (1863-1914) son of Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-1896), the brother of Emperor Franz Josef.
2) Franz, Duke of Hohenberg (1927-1977) Son.
3) Georg, Duke of Hohenberg (1929-) Brother.

But the marriage of Archduke Franz Ferdinand (1893-1914) was ruled to be unequal or morganic and his children decreed not eligible to inherit the Austrian throne according to the dynastic rules. So:

Franz Joseph's heirs by the dynastic rules of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine are:

1) Charles I (1887-1922) Emperor of Austria. Grandnephew. Son of Archduke Otto Franz (1965-1906) son of Archduke Karl Ludwig.
2) Crown Prince Otto (1912-2011). Son.
3) Karl Von Habsburg (born 1961) Son.

You will also note that Franz Joseph had many knightly titles and honors and decorations that were mostly personal to him and not hereditary. Franz Joseph I of Austria - Wikipedia

Thus I think that if Emperor Franz Joseph used all the titles that he could have claimed he would have been the most titled European person ever, much more than anyone since.[/QUOTE]
 
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Pedro

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Nobel is the rank.
Noble is the inventor for whom the prize is named.
 

MAGolding

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Nobel is the rank.
Noble is the inventor for whom the prize is named.
Very funny! ;):lol::D

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Frederick II of Sicily by medieval standards was impressive: his mother was Queen of the Norman Kingdom of Siciliy (all of southern Italy) and his father was Holy Roman Emperor. After the sixth crusade he gained the title of King of Jerusalem.
 

martin76

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I agree Charles I´s heritage was huge: The crown of Spain (Castile-Aragon-Navarre) with their dominions (Kingdoms of Sicily-Naples-Sardinia-the American and North African territories), HRE and the King of Romans´territories, and the Duchy of Burgundy and their dominions (Low Countries).
 
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Charles V - 1500 to 1558

Emperor Of: Holy Roman Empire, Spanish Empire (As Charles I).
King Of: The Romans, Naples, Catile, Leon, Aragon, Sicily.
Archduke Of: Austria.
Prince (or Duke/Margrave) Of: Burgundy, Brabant, Lothier, Limburg, Luxembourg, Namur, Guelders.
Count Of: Barcelona, Burgundy, Artois, Charolais, Flanders, Hainault, Holland, Zeeland, Zutphen.
Viceroyalties created: New Spain (1535), Peru (1542).

With all those titles and lands and those effectively under his sway, he is sometimes dubbed the "Holy S___ Roman Emperor"

View attachment 12747

If his European titles weren't impressive enough, his world holdings were something to behold - The first Empire described as "The Empire where the sun never set" before the term became associated with the British later on:
View attachment 12748

Of course, while Charles did manage to push his influence across a significant portion of the world, he was born with a diamond spoon in his mouth. He owes everything to the great starting position he received from the luck of the inheritance draw being the heir of three of Europe's most powerful dynasties: Habsburg, Valois, and Trastámara.


For further reading, Sources:
Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor - Wikipedia
https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Charles-V-so-important-in-the-16th-century
Of the feudal era, Charles's collection of titles will never be surpassed. Napoleon if you add up the titles he ever had at different points at his career might be close? Charlemagne at least in terms of Europe was similarly successful but he was around before mass decentralization and his large empire thus didn't come with as many titles.
 

MAGolding

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Of the feudal era, Charles's collection of titles will never be surpassed. Napoleon if you add up the titles he ever had at different points at his career might be close? Charlemagne at least in terms of Europe was similarly successful but he was around before mass decentralization and his large empire thus didn't come with as many titles.
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