Did any Noble have a more impressive lineup of titles than Emperor Charles Habsburg V?

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@MAGolding I do believe Tsar is the English word, a proper transliteration from Russian Cyrillic Цар. Czar is a Polish word, XIXth century Russian emperors were Tsars of Poland among many other titles and i learnt that it is pronounced like English char(?).
 

martin76

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IMHO the European with the right to use the most titles was Emperor Franz Joseph I of Austria.

Mr MAGolding..

You are an specialista in Genealogy... well I have a question to you.. According with the article (In Spanish Wikipedia: Carlota de México 1840 - 1927... Fernando Pasos wrote about Maximiliam

Fernando Maximiliano José, Archiduque de Austria, Príncipe de Hungría y de Bohemia, Conde de Habsburgo, Príncipe de Lorena, Emperador de México y Rey del mundo, que nació en el Palacio de Schönbrunn y fue el primer descendiente de los Reyes Católicos Fernando e Isabel que cruzó el mar océano y pisó las tierras de América

(Ferdinan Maximiliam Joseph, Archduke of Austria, Prince of Hungary and Bohemia, Count of Hapsburg, Prince of Lorraine, Emperor of Mexico and King of the World, who was born in the Palace of Schönbrunn and was the first descendant of the Catholic Kings Ferdinand and Isabella that crossed the ocean sea and stepped on the lands of America)

So as Maximian was Franz Joseph´s brother... Do you know the Link... the "connection" between Kaiser Franz Joseph and the Catholic Monarchs.. Elisabella and Ferdinand? I say because Franz Joseph was not an Habsburg... at least not an original Habsbrug linked with the Crown of Spain through the Kaiser Ferdinand (Alcalá de Henares, Madrid, 1503, Vienna, 1564)..

So, Was Fernando Pasos wrong when he linked Franz Joseph´s brother with the Catholic Monarchs? and If they are any "link" between Franz Joseph and Trastamaras (Isabella and Ferdinand)..What´s the connection? Do you know?

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johnincornwall

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@MAGolding I do believe Tsar is the English word, a proper transliteration from Russian Cyrillic Цар. Czar is a Polish word, XIXth century Russian emperors were Tsars of Poland among many other titles and i learnt that it is pronounced like English char(?).
Caesar, whatever way you spell it, the gist is the same!
 

AlpinLuke

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Ancient Egyptian Monarchs [from New Kingdom on "Pharaohs"] carried not a lot of titles, usually, but sometime this happened. Anyway it was the kind of these titles which gave them a certain advantage: they were divine [!].

For example it wasn't rare to read "Good God" [or Good Gooddess] before of the cartouche of a Monarch. Any European noble who wasn't a deity has been inferior to all the Pharaohs ...

A part divine status, also Queens didn't joke. Just as a sample, we can think to Nefertiti ...

She was

"Great Royal Wife, Beloved of His Body, Hereditary Princess, Great of Praises,
Mistress of the Reed and the Papyrus, Lady of Grace, Sweet of Love,
Lady of the Two Lands, Lady of all Women.
"

But overall Egyptian Queens were known for their curious crowns and hats ... in this they were similar to British Queens ...
 

MAGolding

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Mr MAGolding..

You are an specialista in Genealogy... well I have a question to you.. According with the article (In Spanish Wikipedia: Carlota de México 1840 - 1927... Fernando Pasos wrote about Maximiliam

Fernando Maximiliano José, Archiduque de Austria, Príncipe de Hungría y de Bohemia, Conde de Habsburgo, Príncipe de Lorena, Emperador de México y Rey del mundo, que nació en el Palacio de Schönbrunn y fue el primer descendiente de los Reyes Católicos Fernando e Isabel que cruzó el mar océano y pisó las tierras de América

(Ferdinan Maximiliam Joseph, Archduke of Austria, Prince of Hungary and Bohemia, Count of Hapsburg, Prince of Lorraine, Emperor of Mexico and King of the World, who was born in the Palace of Schönbrunn and was the first descendant of the Catholic Kings Ferdinand and Isabella that crossed the ocean sea and stepped on the lands of America)

So as Maximian was Franz Joseph´s brother... Do you know the Link... the "connection" between Kaiser Franz Joseph and the Catholic Monarchs.. Elisabella and Ferdinand? I say because Franz Joseph was not an Habsburg... at least not an original Habsbrug linked with the Crown of Spain through the Kaiser Ferdinand (Alcalá de Henares, Madrid, 1503, Vienna, 1564)..

So, Was Fernando Pasos wrong when he linked Franz Joseph´s brother with the Catholic Monarchs? and If they are any "link" between Franz Joseph and Trastamaras (Isabella and Ferdinand)..What´s the connection? Do you know?

Regards
Queen Isabella I of Castile, Leon, Galicia, Toledo, etc., (1451-1504) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CASTILE.htm#JuanIIdied1454A married King Ferdinand II of Aragon, Valencia, Sicily, Sicily, Sardinia, etc. (1452-1516) ARAGON KINGSTheir sons died without heirs. Thus they have no descendants i the agnatic (all male) line. Their heir was their oldest daughter to survive them and have children:

1. Queen Joanna La Loca (1479-1555) who married King consort Philip I, Archduke of Austria, Duke of Burgundy, etc. (1478-1509) AUSTRIA Parents of:

2. Emperor Charles V (1500-1558) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CASTILE.htm#CarlosIdied1558B Father of:

3. King Philip II of the Spanish Kingdoms (1527-98) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CASTILE.htm#FelipeIIdied1598A Father of:

4. King Philip III of the Spanish Kingdoms (1578-1621) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CASTILE.htm#FelipeIIIdied1621A Father of:

5. King Philip IV of the Spanish Kingdoms (1605-1665) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CASTILE.htm#FelipeIIIdied1621A Father of:

6. King Charles II of the Spanish Kingdoms (1661-1701) No children.

King Charles II's heir by male preference primogeniture Primogeniture - Wikipedia would be Louis, Dauphin of France (1661-1711) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAPET.htm#LouisXIVdied1715B only surviving child of King Louis IV of France (1638-1715) and his wife Maria Theresa of Spain (1638-1683) the only daughter of King Philip IV to marry and have a child that was alive in 1700. Louis XIV was himself next in line for the throne of Spain after his son Louis (1661-1711) and his descendants, being the heir of his mother Ana (1601-66) the oldest daughter of King Philip III (1578-1721).

But Louis XIV had become the great enemy of Spain, constantly invading and conquering Spanish lands, so many people would consider both Louis XIV and all his descendants to be incapable of inheriting Spain. Next in line after King Louis XIV and his descendants was Emperor Leopold I (1640-1705) son of Emperor Ferdinand III (1608-57) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AUSTRIA.htm#FerdinandIIIdied1657A and his first wife Maria Ana of Spain (1606-46) the only other married daughter of King Philip III (1578-1621).

And if one believed that the heirs of the Habsburg kings of Spain should be by agnatic (male only) primogeniture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primogeniture#Agnatic_primogeniture the inheritance rule used by the Austrian Habsburgs, then Emperor Leopold I and his sons would be the rightful heirs of King Charles II of Spain since Emperor Leopold I and his sons were the only other agnatic Habsburgs in 1700.

Because other European countries didn't want to see Spain united with either France or Austria, King Louis XIV nominated his middle grandson Philip (1683-1746) instead of his son Louis the Dauphin (1661-1711) or his oldest grandson Louis (1682-1712) as his candidate for the throne of Spain, while Emperor Leopold I nominated his younger son Charles (1685-1740) instead of his older son Joseph (1678-1711) as his candidate for the throne of Spain http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AUSTRIA.htm#LeopoldIdied1705A. And then came the War of the Spanish Succession.

Emperor Leopold I (1640-1705 was the father of Emperor Joseph I (1678-1711) who had two daughters, and Emperor Charles VI 1785-1740) who had two daughters.

7. Emperor Leopold I (1640-1705) Father of:

8. Emperor Joseph I (1678-1711) Had only daughters. Brother of:

9. Emperor Charles VI 1785-1740) Had only daughters. Since he was the last male Habsburg, his older daughter Maria Theresa (1717-80) became his heir. Father of:

10. Maria Theresa (1717-1780) Older daughter and heiress. Queen of Hungary, Bohemia, Croatia, etc., Archduchess of Austria, etc. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AUSTRIA.htm#LeopoldIdied1705B Married Francis Stephen of Lorraine (1708-1765) Grand Duke of Tuscany, Emperor of the Romans. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LORRAINE.htm#FrancoisEtiennedied1765A They founded the dynasty of Habsburg-Lorraine. Mother of:

11. Emperor Joseph II (1741-90) No surviving children. Brother of:

12. Emperor Leopold II (1747-92) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AUSTRIA.htm#FranzIdied1765B - http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AUSTRIA.htm#LeopoldIIdied1792A Father of:

13. Emperor Francis II & I (1768-1835)

14. Ferdinand I, Emperor of Austria (1793-1875) Abdicated 1848. Childless. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_I_of_Austria Brother of:

15. Archduke Franz Karl (1802-78) resigned his rights to the throne in 1848. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archduke_Franz_Karl_of_Austria Father of:

16. Emperor of Austria Franz Joseph (1830-1916) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Joseph_I_of_Austria And Emperor Franz Joseph's next oldest brother was Maximilian (1832-67) of Mexico who you asked about. When Maximilian went to Mexico he was fifth in line to the Austrian claim to Spain, behind Crown Prince Rudolph (1858-89), Emperor Franz Joseph (1830-1916), Archduke Franz Karl (1802-78), and Ex Emperor Ferdinand I (1793-1875).

Or to put it another way, 1. Maximilian (1832-1867) Emperor of Mexico was the son of:

2.Archduke Franz Karl (1802-78) the son of :

3. Emperor Francis II & I (1768-1835), the son of:

4. Emperor Leopold II (1747-92), the son of:

5. Maria Theresa (1717-1780), the daughter of:

6. Emperor Charles VI 1785-1740), the son of:

7. Emperor Leopold I (1640-1705), the son of:

8. Archduchess and Infanta Maria Ana of Spain (1606-46), the daughter of:

9. King Philip III of the Spanish Kingdoms (1578-1621), the son of:

10. King Philip II of the Spanish Kingdoms (1527-98), the son of:

11. Emperor Charles V (1500-1558), the son of:

12. King consort Philip I the Fair (1478-1509) and Queen Joanna La Loca (1479-1555), the daughter of:

13. the Catholic Monarchs Ferdinand and Isabella.



And another line of descent is:

1. Maximilian (1832-1867) Emperor of Mexico the son of:

2. Archduke Franz Karl (1802-78) the son of :

3. Emperor Francis II & I (1768-1835), the son of:

4. Emperor Leopold II (1747-92), the son of:

5. Maria Theresa (1717-1780), the daughter of:

6. Emperor Charles VI 1785-1740), the son of:

7. Emperor Leopold I (1640-1705), the son of:

8. Emperor Ferdinand III (1608-1657), the son of:

9. Emperor Ferdinand II (1578-1637), the son of:

10. Archduke Charles (1540-90), Duke of Styria, Carinthia, and Carniola, the son of:

11. Emperor Ferdinand I (1503-1564), the son of:

12. King consort Philip I the Fair (1478-1509) and Queen Joanna La Loca (1479-1555), the daughter of:

13. the Catholic Monarchs Ferdinand and Isabella.
 
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stevev

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For all his titles and lands, he did not establish a hegemony over Europe. France was never under his rule. A limited hegemony excluding the European periphery (England/Britain, Scandinavia and Russia) was established by Charlemagne, Napoleon and briefly Hitler.
 

martin76

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Queen Isabella I of Castile, Leon, Galicia, Toledo, etc., (1451-1504) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CASTILE.htm#JuanIIdied1454A married King Ferdinand II of Aragon, Valencia, Sicily, Sicily, Sardinia, etc. (1452-1516) ARAGON KINGSTheir sons died without heirs. Thus they have no descendants i the agnatic (all male) line. Their heir was their oldest daughter to survive them and have children:

1. Queen Joanna La Loca (1479-1555) who married King consort Philip I, Archduke of Austria, Duke of Burgundy, etc. (1478-1509) AUSTRIA Parents of:

2. Emperor Charles V (1500-1558) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CASTILE.htm#CarlosIdied1558B Father of:

3. King Philip II of the Spanish Kingdoms (1527-98) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CASTILE.htm#FelipeIIdied1598A Father of:

4. King Philip III of the Spanish Kingdoms (1578-1621) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CASTILE.htm#FelipeIIIdied1621A Father of:

5. King Philip IV of the Spanish Kingdoms (1605-1665) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CASTILE.htm#FelipeIIIdied1621A Father of:

6. King Charles II of the Spanish Kingdoms (1661-1701) No children.

King Charles II's heir by male preference primogeniture Primogeniture - Wikipedia would be Louis, Dauphin of France (1661-1711) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAPET.htm#LouisXIVdied1715B only surviving child of King Louis IV of France (1638-1715) and his wife Maria Theresa of Spain (1638-1683) the only daughter of King Philip IV to marry and have a child that was alive in 1700. Louis XIV was himself next in line for the throne of Spain after his son Louis (1661-1711) and his descendants, being the heir of his mother Ana (1601-66) the oldest daughter of King Philip III (1578-1721).

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Thanks you very much for your very interesting and clarifier post...really. You have clarified the difficult connection between Franz Joseph and the Catholic Monarchs...I can see Del Paso was wrong... because Franz and Maximiliam were not direct progeny...but only in a indirect mode.
Really very instructive your post.

Regards.
 

martin76

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For all his titles and lands, he did not establish a hegemony over Europe. France was never under his rule. A limited hegemony excluding the European periphery (England/Britain, Scandinavia and Russia) was established by Charlemagne, Napoleon and briefly Hitler.
Who didn´t stablish a hegemony over Europe? Charles.. of course Yes... he made POW (and he had the power to execute the King of France).. In fact, the King of France was PRISIONER in Torre de los Lujanes in Madrid... never Charles or any other Habsburg King of Spain was made POW by France.

In this Tower was POW the King of the Franks... François Ier... (it is an Historical Fact)