Did China consider her 1820 borderlines the true borders of China?

Sephiroth

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The answer is they eventually did, but they had to make some changes.
 

heylouis

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why? i mean what is the problem?

the maps is not just "china considered", but also acknowledged by other countries, from russia to britain. later, the demands from westerners all based this acknowledgement.
 
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Well, minus Mongolia and Tibet, which are historically independent nations. Mongolia especially has never been regarded as being part of "true China", neither by the Mongolians or the Chinese. Tibet is a whole other argument.
 
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heylouis

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Well, minus Mongolia and Tibet, which are historically independent nations. Mongolia especially has never been regarded as being part of "true China", neither by the Mongolians or the Chinese. Tibet is a whole other argument.
the international treaty that defines qing china and russia (the first one)was the "treaty of Nerchinsk", in which the mongolia was treated as qing china territory.
the mongolians had no opinion on this treaty because they had been incorporated into qing because the common threat from drunger tribe, decades ago before the treaty with russia.

similarily, the border between qing china and british was defined in treaties after opium wars. only decades later, the british decided to take one sided actions, which is typical manipulation of colony powers.

surprised to see such non sense comment.
 
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Politically Mongolia has been part of China at different times, but that's not the same thing as being considered part of traditional China.
 

heylouis

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Politically Mongolia has been part of China at different times, but that's not the same thing as being considered part of traditional China.
whatever your intention is behind the "smart" words "true" or "traditional", the title of the thread asked "Did China consider her 1820 borderlines the true borders of China?"
so you answered wrongly to the q anyway.
 

Sephiroth

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the international treaty that defines qing china and russia (the first one)was the "treaty of Nerchinsk", in which the mongolia was treated as qing china territory.
the mongolians had no opinion on this treaty because they had been incorporated into qing because the common threat from drunger tribe, decades ago before the treaty with russia.

similarily, the border between qing china and british was defined in treaties after opium wars. only decades later, the british decided to take one sided actions, which is typical manipulation of colony powers.

surprised to see such non sense comment.
It was not non sense at all but the mere truth. All you said was it was treated as part of Qing China, which has little to do with what he said. You could argue (like you did) what he said had little to do with the question, but who cares, he did not tell wrong information. The nationality of Mongolia was created in the beginning of the 13th century. It is a completely different nation.
 
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It was not non sense at all but the mere truth. All you said was it was treated as part of Qing China, which has little to do with what he said. You could argue (like you did) what he said had little to do with the question, but who cares, he did not tell wrong information. The nationality of Mongolia was created in the beginning of the 13th century. It is a completely different nation.
Just about all parts of China were different nations at one time. The Huaxia were imperialists. Even the Huaxia were two different nations that merged into one when one conquered the other. The difference is that these different nations are all absorbed and completely Sinicized at this point.