Did India's leadership hope after partition that Pakistan will eventually rejoin India?

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Aupmanyav

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after a century of hindu politics, partition was virtually inevitable whether congress wanted or didn't want, congress did start its politics as hindu nationalist, it could have remained non sectarian and neutral and it could have bode well for india.
as for pakistan rejoining india, india needs to take care of its own muslim minority who have been subjected to RSS pundit yogi, sadhu govt, I dont think there is any chance of any rejoining.
Yes, Congress mixed religion with politics. Gandhi started with Khilafat movement (and it boom-ranged). After independence, Congress became actively anti-Hindu with Nehru. Congress used religious riots (Muzaffarpur, Punjab) to retain its power. That strengthened RSS. With 80% Hindu population, an anti-Hindu party survived as long as it could. Muslims are doing fine in India. Of course, if they want dominance beyond their numbers, it is not available now.
 
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Aupmanyav

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No, standing up to one's oppressors takes courage. Gandhi's pacifism was due to a testosterone deficecy caused by a weak vegetarian diet.
For all his thin frame, Gandhi was not testosterone deficient. He fathered four sons. Rajeev has already talked about his experiments. :)
 
Mar 2019
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Many Hindus believe congress was too much into appeasing Muslims. Infact, Congress was/is a Left-Leaning party not much into religious ideology, calling it as a Hindu party is not an authentic claim, the Muslim League and later Pakistani governments created a fake perception of Indian national Congress as a Hindu party to justify their existence.

Pakistan better stop worrying about Indian Muslims, Pakistan itself witnessed a failed assimilation of North Indian origin Muhajirs who are often mocked as Hindustani (Indians aka the enemy) and lots of Bihari Muhajirs still lives as refugees in Bangladesh because Pakistan don't want them and their arrival in Pakistan would lead to widespread rioting by Sindhis, while they face the brunt of siding with Pakistan in Pakistani civil war.
congress was a hindu party, try to get more info on congress. the issue with mohajirs is not religious but ethnic, in india, its not ethnic but religious, mohajirs were between rock and a hard place. comparing the muslim situation in india, mohajirs are better off in pakistan then being in india especially given the situation of RSS ruling india today.

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Devdas

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Apr 2015
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congress was a hindu party, try to get more info on congress. the issue with mohajirs is not religious but ethnic, in india, its not ethnic but religious, mohajirs were between rock and a hard place. comparing the muslim situation in india, mohajirs are better off in pakistan then being in india especially given the situation of RSS ruling india today.

regards
The ethnic divide runs deeps in Pakistan, thousands of people die in Karachi over inter ethnic violence in Karachi and I have come across lots of derogatory things other native Pakistanis talk about Muhajirs, same people shed crocodile tears for Indian Muslims. Pakistan itself was founded by an Islamic extremist party like Muslim League and its leader Jinnah was a staunch Hindu hater because some Hindu businessman didn't hire him as a lawyer. There are mainstream politicians like Mian Mitho who runs racket of abduction and forced conversion of minor Hindu girls in Sindh. Pakistanis complaining about voting pattern Indians infact sounds quite bizarre.
 
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The ethnic divide runs deeps in Pakistan, thousands of people die in Karachi over inter ethnic violence in Karachi and I have come across lots of derogatory things other native Pakistanis talk about Muhajirs, same people shed crocodile tears for Indian Muslims. Pakistan itself was founded by an Islamic extremist party like Muslim League and its leader Jinnah was a staunch Hindu hater because some Hindu businessman didn't hire him as a lawyer. There are mainstream politicians like Mian Mitho who runs racket of abduction and forced conversion of minor Hindu girls in Sindh. Pakistanis complaining about voting pattern Indians infact sounds quite bizarre.
what you are stating is a mere result of kattar/staunch hindu propaganda, mohajirs are doing fine in Pakistan, there is an ethnic divide in pakistan not only against mohajirs but practically every ethnicity, the balochs, pashtuns, kashmiris etc.

the mohajirs are safer in pakistan than they would be if they stayed back in india.

there are even ethnic divides in india, lets take for instance the killing and violence against biharis in maharashtra, the violence against north eastern indians in other indian states, so atleast mohajirs are safe when it comes to religious front, its only ethnicity which is attacked compared to india where they would suffer both fates.

some hindus have even stated that musims converted from non touchable/shudra caste, so mohajirs would be treated even as an untouchable if they remained in india, so not only persecuted religiously but also ethnicaly and also based on caste.

in pakistan mohajirs still enjoy a low political freedom, in india the muslims are heavily subjected to RSS yogi, sadhu, pundit rule.

there is hate mongering and sectarian violence against muslims in india, in pakistan there is no such hate mongering against mohajirs.

regards
 
Apr 2019
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So should we learn about human rights from Pakistanis and other Islamic countries? ?
Where did Hindus of Pak disappear? They went down from 12% to 1%. Who killed/converted them?
While in India Muslim went up from 8% to 15% and they are constantly growing in number. Even from pure stats we can see which country is persecuting it's minorities. On top of that Shias, Ahmediyas, Jews, Christians etc can live without persecution in India. Can we make same claims for Pak?
On top of that India is one of the worst non-islamic sufferer of 'Global Jihad'. Still people here prefer to maintain harmony.
I've an advice for you whenever you'll come to India please come to my place. I'll take you to different RSS 'shakhas' and then to some of the jihadi 'mullas'(some mullas are extremely nice and humanistic) place. So that you can make your decision yourself regarding who actually is poisonous for the society.
 
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comparing hindu population in pakistan which was limited to few pockets in sindh to muslim population in india where they are practically present from east to west north to south is delusional and can only be argued by RSS fed people and govenrments dictated by yogis and sadhus. btw in pakistan mullahs dont dictate the governance like hindu fanatics do in india.

as historically i have already stated the magadh, eastern indian regions were never vedic people/hindus, they had their own philosphies, how did they become hindus? how did buddhism die in india along with other religions of sramanas? how did shiva which was not even an important god or the vedic god came to dominate indian religions?

what was the religion of tamils? what did the marathis believed before accepting hinduism? we do know there was also animism in india, as lots of animist adivasis in india even today.

so lets not go into the history of how hinduism spread and how it came to dominate the turf of other religions esp buddhism. did surya worshippers who made surya temples believed in shiva god? who knows, the sect doesnt even survive to this day.

why did hinduism die in cambodia, thailand, southern and central veitnam, indonesia, malaysia etc?

vedic religion was born out of one tiny little state of india called haryana, how did haryana came to dominate the entire indian religions, care to explain?

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Devdas

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what you are stating is a mere result of kattar/staunch hindu propaganda, mohajirs are doing fine in Pakistan, there is an ethnic divide in pakistan not only against mohajirs but practically every ethnicity, the balochs, pashtuns, kashmiris etc.

the mohajirs are safer in pakistan than they would be if they stayed back in india.

there are even ethnic divides in india, lets take for instance the killing and violence against biharis in maharashtra, the violence against north eastern indians in other indian states, so atleast mohajirs are safe when it comes to religious front, its only ethnicity which is attacked compared to india where they would suffer both fates.

some hindus have even stated that musims converted from non touchable/shudra caste, so mohajirs would be treated even as an untouchable if they remained in india, so not only persecuted religiously but also ethnicaly and also based on caste.

in pakistan mohajirs still enjoy a low political freedom, in india the muslims are heavily subjected to RSS yogi, sadhu, pundit rule.

there is hate mongering and sectarian violence against muslims in india, in pakistan there is no such hate mongering against mohajirs.

regards
Pakistanis are fed too much propaganda about against Hindus for the sake of Pakistani nationalism, as Pakistani nationalism can't be defined without Hindu hatred and fake stories of Hindus mistreating Muslims. Ethnic related issues are quite negligible in India and we don't consider Hindu-Sikh refugee from Pakistan and East Bengal as foreigners, Sindhi Hindus and East Bengali Hindus are one of our own. Pakistanis instead of worrying about Indian Muslims first try to mend their relations with Muhajirs left in Bangladesh who are just paying the price of supporting Pakistan in civil war of 1971 and remained a stateless people.Muhajirs are Pakistan's problem, none of our concern, Pakistanis who are so worried about Indian Muslim better know what's happening in Kati Pahadi of Karachi in their own backyard.

The most bizarre thing is Pakistanis live in a theocratic state with no political rights to minorities and they give lecture about secularism. The things Muslim League were asking as minority rights, they are not ready to shed even 1% of that to their own minorities, in Pakistan Muslim can insult Hinduism and Christianity anytime but reverse of that should not be done.

Pakistan is an Islamic extremist state with officially sanctioned hatred towards Hindus, Jews and Christians. They should better stop worrying and lecturing if Hindus are voting for a Hindu leaning political party. Many secular countries vote for right leaning parties but their track record of minority rights are far better than Pakistan.
 
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