Did India's leadership hope after partition that Pakistan will eventually rejoin India?

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Devdas

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congress was a hindu party, try to get more info on congress. the issue with mohajirs is not religious but ethnic, in india, its not ethnic but religious, mohajirs were between rock and a hard place. comparing the muslim situation in india, mohajirs are better off in pakistan then being in india especially given the situation of RSS ruling india today.

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Many Deobandis also formed the support base of Congress. Congress party was dominated by Hindus because India was a Hindu majority country but its leader endorse to left wing ideology and hardly care about Hinduism. Congress is voted by all religious group. It was more likely, Muslims would prefer a Muslim dominated party (later a theocratic state) instead of supporting a party dominated by Hindu leaders indifferent to any religion.
 

Devdas

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People would create fake stories of Hindus mistreating Muslims but still illegal Bangladeshi Muslims and Rohinygas wants to live in India. Despite this Hindu bashing, there had hardly been the case of minorities leaving India for asylum in other countries due to religious persecution.
 
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#53
Yeah, but he was a pacifist. Pacifists are sissies.
If we analyse his actions in context of situations he faced, Gandhi comes across as a strategic thinker, a realist, and a practical man. Just because he often harped on non-violence etc., spoke the language of a pacifist, and an image got created around him; we tend to perceive him as a pacifist (="a person who believes that war and violence are unjustifiable").

Gandhi never opposed by his actions any of the wars which happened in his lifetime.

  • He worked for British in Boer War in South Africa.
  • He was travelling during First World war, so there is nothing he did in this period.
  • He did not oppose the Second World War in any of his actions.
    • He opposed British action of declaring that India was at War with Germany without the consent of its elected leaders. So he asked Congress ministries to resign. His opposing the British war-effort India was aimed at putting pressure on Britain and weakening them. This obviously would enable him to extract more concessions from them for India's freedom (repeat of WW-1). In effect, he opposed the British in WW-2.
    • He declared 'Quit India Movement' in August 1942, when Britain was still at a low & vulnerable position in WW-2, and had a significant chance of coming out as the vanquished power. Attacking the opponent at a point he is weakest is a time-tested war-strategy.
    • Slogan for 1942 movement was "Do or Die" in which Gandhi did not define what to do. But violence was the result. He did not ask people to give up violence against Govt property in 1942 even though Lord Irwin, British Viceroy, requested. Of course, the movement petered out, due to some reasons.
 
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Pakistanis are fed too much propaganda about against Hindus for the sake of Pakistani nationalism, as Pakistani nationalism can't be defined without Hindu hatred and fake stories of Hindus mistreating Muslims. Ethnic related issues are quite negligible in India and we don't consider Hindu-Sikh refugee from Pakistan and East Bengal as foreigners, Sindhi Hindus and East Bengali Hindus are one of our own. Pakistanis instead of worrying about Indian Muslims first try to mend their relations with Muhajirs left in Bangladesh who are just paying the price of supporting Pakistan in civil war of 1971 and remained a stateless people.Muhajirs are Pakistan's problem, none of our concern, Pakistanis who are so worried about Indian Muslim better know what's happening in Kati Pahadi of Karachi in their own backyard.

The most bizarre thing is Pakistanis live in a theocratic state with no political rights to minorities and they give lecture about secularism. The things Muslim League were asking as minority rights, they are not ready to shed even 1% of that to their own minorities, in Pakistan Muslim can insult Hinduism and Christianity anytime but reverse of that should not be done.

Pakistan is an Islamic extremist state with officially sanctioned hatred towards Hindus, Jews and Christians. They should better stop worrying and lecturing if Hindus are voting for a Hindu leaning political party. Many secular countries vote for right leaning parties but their track record of minority rights are far better than Pakistan.
what you are repeating is a western and hindutva propaganda, if neutral observers are bound to see the reality instead of political BS, they would find out that pakistan as a matter of fact is a least religiously driven zealot state/society compared with the hindutva movement going on in india, with every hindu converting as hindu nut job in the future with clear hate mongering against muslims, same goes to myanmar and some western countries in europe who are all turning extreme right wing, neo nazis in near future.

Pakistan is not governed by a mullah like india is governed by a terrorist who has a track record of butchering muslims and hate mongering against them, and yogis who are ruling UP state today, do you seriously think that UP mohajirs in pakistan were safer in pathetic religious zealot state :lol:, mohajirs infact feel pity for their UP brethren who are forced to follow hindutva rules and who live in fear of getting lynched and their mosques attacked every now and then.

yes, as i already admitted, there is ethnic issue in pakistan, but in india, there is an ethnic, caste as well as religious intolerance which is threefold compared with pakistan. indian muslims/mohajirs are still better off in pakistan compared with muslims in india because they have religious freedom here with low political freedom as well and they are not attacked with hate mongering, islamophobic riots as in india.

issue with india is, they open heartedly embracing their RSS identity and dont find issues with it, they embrace their hindu extremism and see no issues, sam is never the case in pakistan, yes talibans were bad and extremists and have been dealth away with, as a matter of fact even talibans were lesser evils compared with RSS, if you watch some of the israeli videos of the opinion of the jews in afghanistan and how minorities were treated there, talibans would still come as lesser of evil compard with RSS anti-islamic/islamophobic intolerant india today.


the illusion of hindu tolerance was way back a thousand years ago, today hindus are anything but tolerant, so stop projecting your society as tolerant towards other religious groups. Pakistan and afghanistan remained much more tolerant to minorities compared with hindutva state.

the hindu mindset today in india is amazing, one hindu took pride how all muslims in india were all shudra low caste converts, another hindu complained how muslims are all poor, backwards ompared to hindus and lagging behind, such communal hatred or division doesnt simply exist in pakistan, hindus are not considered as inferior ethnic race, or inferior people here, they are not disdained for their poverty or considered a burden etc, this is something engrained in hindutva mindset and their caste differences from which they view muslims as people of low birth, low rights, low people etc. it was never an issue in islam, everybody was equal even the religious minorities. The society as a whole in india is falling low because of caste issues there, its simply in your hindu society.

regards
 
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what you are repeating is a western and hindutva propaganda, if neutral observers are bound to see the reality instead of political BS, they would find out that pakistan as a matter of fact is a least religiously driven zealot state/society compared with the hindutva movement going on in india, with every hindu converting as hindu nut job in the future with clear hate mongering against muslims, same goes to myanmar and some western countries in europe who are all turning extreme right wing, neo nazis in near future.

Pakistan is not governed by a mullah like india is governed by a terrorist who has a track record of butchering muslims and hate mongering against them, and yogis who are ruling UP state today, do you seriously think that UP mohajirs in pakistan were safer in pathetic religious zealot state :lol:, mohajirs infact feel pity for their UP brethren who are forced to follow hindutva rules and who live in fear of getting lynched and their mosques attacked every now and then.

yes, as i already admitted, there is ethnic issue in pakistan, but in india, there is an ethnic, caste as well as religious intolerance which is threefold compared with pakistan. indian muslims/mohajirs are still better off in pakistan compared with muslims in india because they have religious freedom here with low political freedom as well and they are not attacked with hate mongering, islamophobic riots as in india.

issue with india is, they open heartedly embracing their RSS identity and dont find issues with it, they embrace their hindu extremism and see no issues, sam is never the case in pakistan, yes talibans were bad and extremists and have been dealth away with, as a matter of fact even talibans were lesser evils compared with RSS, if you watch some of the israeli videos of the opinion of the jews in afghanistan and how minorities were treated there, talibans would still come as lesser of evil compard with RSS anti-islamic/islamophobic intolerant india today.


the illusion of hindu tolerance was way back a thousand years ago, today hindus are anything but tolerant, so stop projecting your society as tolerant towards other religious groups. Pakistan and afghanistan remained much more tolerant to minorities compared with hindutva state.

the hindu mindset today in india is amazing, one hindu took pride how all muslims in india were all shudra low caste converts, another hindu complained how muslims are all poor, backwards ompared to hindus and lagging behind, such communal hatred or division doesnt simply exist in pakistan, hindus are not considered as inferior ethnic race, or inferior people here, they are not disdained for their poverty or considered a burden etc, this is something engrained in hindutva mindset and their caste differences from which they view muslims as people of low birth, low rights, low people etc. it was never an issue in islam, everybody was equal even the religious minorities. The society as a whole in india is falling low because of caste issues there, its simply in your hindu society.

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what you are repeating is a western and hindutva propaganda, if neutral observers are bound to see the reality instead of political BS, they would find out that pakistan as a matter of fact is a least religiously driven zealot state/society compared with the hindutva movement going on in india, with every hindu converting as hindu nut job in the future with clear hate mongering against muslims, same goes to myanmar and some western countries in europe who are all turning extreme right wing, neo nazis in near future.

Pakistan is not governed by a mullah like india is governed by a terrorist who has a track record of butchering muslims and hate mongering against them, and yogis who are ruling UP state today, do you seriously think that UP mohajirs in pakistan were safer in pathetic religious zealot state :lol:, mohajirs infact feel pity for their UP brethren who are forced to follow hindutva rules and who live in fear of getting lynched and their mosques attacked every now and then.

yes, as i already admitted, there is ethnic issue in pakistan, but in india, there is an ethnic, caste as well as religious intolerance which is threefold compared with pakistan. indian muslims/mohajirs are still better off in pakistan compared with muslims in india because they have religious freedom here with low political freedom as well and they are not attacked with hate mongering, islamophobic riots as in india.

issue with india is, they open heartedly embracing their RSS identity and dont find issues with it, they embrace their hindu extremism and see no issues, sam is never the case in pakistan, yes talibans were bad and extremists and have been dealth away with, as a matter of fact even talibans were lesser evils compared with RSS, if you watch some of the israeli videos of the opinion of the jews in afghanistan and how minorities were treated there, talibans would still come as lesser of evil compard with RSS anti-islamic/islamophobic intolerant india today.


the illusion of hindu tolerance was way back a thousand years ago, today hindus are anything but tolerant, so stop projecting your society as tolerant towards other religious groups. Pakistan and afghanistan remained much more tolerant to minorities compared with hindutva state.

the hindu mindset today in india is amazing, one hindu took pride how all muslims in india were all shudra low caste converts, another hindu complained how muslims are all poor, backwards ompared to hindus and lagging behind, such communal hatred or division doesnt simply exist in pakistan, hindus are not considered as inferior ethnic race, or inferior people here, they are not disdained for their poverty or considered a burden etc, this is something engrained in hindutva mindset and their caste differences from which they view muslims as people of low birth, low rights, low people etc. it was never an issue in islam, everybody was equal even the religious minorities. The society as a whole in india is falling low because of caste issues there, its simply in your hindu society.

regards
Communal division does not exist in Pakistan because Hindus know about their position and place in that country.
No one except a Muslim can become the prime minister of Pakistan.

RSS and Modi have become a bogeyman for the likes of you. Good thing majority of Indians did not fall for this leftist propaganda and voted for the best of the country.
 
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Communal division does not exist in Pakistan because Hindus know about their position and place in that country.
No one except a Muslim can become the prime minister of Pakistan.

RSS and Modi have become a bogeyman for the likes of you. Good thing majority of Indians did not fall for this leftist propaganda and voted for the best of the country.
how many muslims have been prime minister in india as well in its seventy long years :lol:

if argument of 1% hindus in pakistan from 12% at independence is to be accepted and the argument of 5% to 15% of muslims in india, that there must have been a muslim prime minister in india by now.

let alone hindu PMs they are now electing hindutva PMs with full RSS backing and blessing, such is atleast not the case with Pakistan where PM doesnt get elected by the blessings of TTP or alquaeda.

only one muslim president that too because presidents are normally selected puppets and that puppet gave hindutva RSS nuclear bomb to play with and make life hell for rest of the muslims.

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how many muslims have been prime minister in india as well in its seventy long years :lol:

if argument of 1% hindus in pakistan from 12% at independence is to be accepted and the argument of 5% to 15% of muslims in india, that there must have been a muslim prime minister in india by now.

let alone hindu PMs they are now electing hindutva PMs with full RSS backing and blessing, such is atleast not the case with Pakistan where PM doesnt get elected by the blessings of TTP or alquaeda.

only one muslim president that too because presidents are normally selected puppets and that puppet gave hindutva RSS nuclear bomb to play with and make life hell for rest of the muslims.

regards
Does not matter how many Muslim Prime ministers India has had the fact remains that constitutionally no Indian is banned from being a PM on religious, ethnic or caste grounds.

In pakistan, forget Hindu but even other muslim sects like Ahmadiyyas cannot be PM and are even banned from calling themselves muslims. So much for your tolerance.
 
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how many muslims have been prime minister in india as well in its seventy long years :lol:

if argument of 1% hindus in pakistan from 12% at independence is to be accepted and the argument of 5% to 15% of muslims in india, that there must have been a muslim prime minister in india by now.

let alone hindu PMs they are now electing hindutva PMs with full RSS backing and blessing, such is atleast not the case with Pakistan where PM gets elected by the blessings of TTP or alquaeda.

only one muslim president that too because presidents are normally selected puppets and that puppet gave hindutva RSS nuclear bomb to play with and make life hell for rest of the muslims.

regards
Are you calling Dr Kalam a puppet? Really your mind need a detox. He was one of the most beloved person of India and that was not because he was a nuclear scientist but because he was extremely humble and passionate. He was approachable and free of malice. Please leave him out of this discussion.
 
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Does not matter how many Muslim Prime ministers Indian has had the fact remains that constitutionally no Indian is banned from being a PM on religious, ethnic or caste grounds.
He probably doesn't know the names of rich muslim businessmen, movie stars, singers, music directors, artists, academics, sportsperson, high-ranking government officials etc.
If muslims would come out of their well, discard sharia compliance and try to assimilate then I don't see public would've any problem in accepting them.
Unfortunately most of muslim representative politicians in India have really bad image.
 
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