Did the atomic bomb on Japan really save lives?

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Ad Honorem
Dec 2015
4,679
Florania
Japan really didn't have the power to stand, and it could have surrendered before the nuclear attack.
Anyway, the nuclear attack happened.
It was speculated Japan might fight to the bitter end if the atomic bombs weren't dropped (or if it noticed these were the only bombs that were made at this time.)
Let's get the Legend of Galactic Heroes scenario here: (I believe it has the reference with the atomic bombs on Japan).
Reinhard (the major protagonist and the eventual Galactic Emperor) might have been able to save 2 million people from a nuclear attack, but his advisor, Oberstein, prevented him from doing so on the basis that it was better to sacrifice 2 million people to end the stupid Civil War a few months earlier (It might have saved at least 10 million lives this way.)
The scenario was that the High Nobles were using a nuclear attack on their people in rebellion, and their reason was to scare people from other rebellions.
Quite contrary, the military forces and people under the High Nobles began to defect to Reinhard's side.
 
Feb 2016
5,049
Atlantic Ocean


Projected strength

Allies
52-54 divisions in total
6,000,000 total

Axis
4,335,500 military
31,550,000 civilian conscripts

Nuclear bombs 15 possible


Estimated Death toll 1.7–4 million American casualties, five to ten million Japanese fatalities

Now we have the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

129,000–246,000 killed

I think i can see which one is the better option
 

Sam-Nary

Ad Honorem
Jun 2012
6,851
At present SD, USA
Nuclear bombs 15 possible
We tested one and used two in history and were OUT of nuclear weapons by the end of 1945. Where are these additional twelve nuclear weapons going to come from between August and November 1945 and assuming that Little Man and Fat Boy aren't dropped and that the test bomb was preserved as an active weapon and isn't "tested" at Los Alamos.
 
Feb 2016
5,049
Atlantic Ocean
We tested one and used two in history and were OUT of nuclear weapons by the end of 1945. Where are these additional twelve nuclear weapons going to come from between August and November 1945 and assuming that Little Man and Fat Boy aren't dropped and that the test bomb was preserved as an active weapon and isn't "tested" at Los Alamos.
The source used is Kenneth Nichols book The Road to Trinity: A Personal Account of How America's Nuclear Policies Were Made
 

janusdviveidis

Ad Honorem
Mar 2014
2,002
Lithuania
If Atom bombs really save lives why not use it all the time? Why so much effort in Iraq or Afghanistan? Just nuke them to save lives.
 
Feb 2016
5,049
Atlantic Ocean
If Atom bombs really save lives why not use it all the time? Why so much effort in Iraq or Afghanistan? Just nuke them to save lives.
Not worth the effort not for a low intensity conflict like that anyway, the difference in scale between the invasions of Iraq which consisted of 380,000 troops and left 196+ dead and downfall which would have had 6,000,000 and left 1.7–4 million American casualties
 

janusdviveidis

Ad Honorem
Mar 2014
2,002
Lithuania
What effort? There tons of bombs that were disarmed because of treaties or are getting too old and need extensive maintenance. Just sail with one ship capable to launch rockets to 1000 km from country that needs to be put down and nuke it. If anyone asks why, answers is to save lives.
 
Feb 2016
5,049
Atlantic Ocean
What effort? There tons of bombs that were disarmed because of treaties or are getting too old and need extensive maintenance. Just sail with one ship capable to launch rockets to 1000 km from country that needs to be put down and nuke it. If anyone asks why, answers is to save lives.
So you think it would have been better to launch operation downfall instead? all in the name to make people feel good at night.

Nuclear bombs suck sure but when you are in a state of total war they are needed, the war on terror is not a total war,
 

Edric Streona

Ad Honorem
Feb 2016
4,520
Japan
Yes. I don't believe 1 million U.S. dead.
But US casualties would have been heavier than anything else she'd seen and the British and Australians would have been losing guys to... The heavy allied casualties would have lead to brutal reprisals in civilians... Far worse than what the allies did when they arrived peacefully.

The Japanese casualties were at least confined to just 2 settlements. IF everyone town and city had to be "cleaned"... Dread to think how few Japanese would be left.