Did the idea for crusades come from jihad

betgo

Ad Honorem
Jul 2011
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After the First Crusade to the Holy Land, there were northern crusades and crusades against heretics. Did the idea for a holy war come from jihad? Were there Christian holy wars of conquest before the First Crusade?
 

AlpinLuke

Forum Staff
Oct 2011
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Well, from a theological perspective, the Christian "holy" wars weren't wars of conquest, invasion, liberation ...

It was St. Augustin [354 - 430CE] to give the definition of "just war". Christians have got [since very early Christian age, I would say, sure since before Islam appeared on the scene of history] the possibility to fight a "just war". It wasn't necessary that a "just war" was also "holy" for a Christian to be allowed to combat.
 
Jun 2015
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I think the idea of a holy war is a fairly common one in many religions and not one they needed to borrow from islam. On the other hand the later more organised jihads may have been influenced by the crusades (remember Jihad didn't originally mean holy war nor does it mean exclusively that to most muslims today).
 
Sep 2011
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I think gods have been used quite a lot through out world history as a reason for war. Religion is a fantastic way to boost moral of the soldiers and keep them determined on their goal of destroying the enemy in the name of their god/s.

As Dom says, first coming to my mind is Charlemagne.

Could the Thirty Years War be considered here? I know it was not solely religion but it is highly significant.

I don't think the Islamic jihad is anything new in regards to the questions here. Religious conflict is almost always intertwined with politics, revenge and control for various other reasons imo.
 
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May 2014
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Budapest
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After the First Crusade to the Holy Land, there were northern crusades and crusades against heretics. Did the idea for a holy war come from jihad? Were there Christian holy wars of conquest before the First Crusade?

I have a feeling that they had other priorities then being holy.

They didn't go for Jerusalem first, but rather Antioch. Antioch happened to be the end of the silk road back then...
 
Nov 2010
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After the First Crusade to the Holy Land, there were northern crusades and crusades against heretics. Did the idea for a holy war come from jihad? Were there Christian holy wars of conquest before the First Crusade?
'Jihad' is actually quite common in history, whereas today's media likes to portray it as something ultimate and unusual!
 
Jun 2014
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VA
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I think the idea of a holy war is a fairly common one in many religions and not one they needed to borrow from islam. On the other hand the later more organised jihads may have been influenced by the crusades (remember Jihad didn't originally mean holy war nor does it mean exclusively that to most muslims today).
Have you actually read the Koran? It did mean holy war originally Mohammad waged warfare and became victorious and ruled as a king in his own time; and his death was followed with more expansion that continued.

I would also say it had to have influenced the Crusades.

Lets look at trade routes

http://medieval.ucdavis.edu/20A/temperature.jpg

Contact is there and important

Now here are some important things to consider

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Italy_1000_AD.svg/713px-Italy_1000_AD.svg.png

https://mediaevalmusings.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/h0211.jpg

http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1000/entity_4.jpg

https://crusadinghistory.wikispaces....jpg/166501839/Byzantine_Empire_1000-1100.jpg

When there is contact there is influence; the issue is how much influence?

In what planet does both trade and actually losing and regaining lands not influence both the conquerors and the conquered?
 

Bart Dale

Ad Honorem
Dec 2009
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There were Christian holy wars before the Crusades. Charlemagnes' against Germanic pagans were the biggest, as far as I can recall off the top of my head.
The saxons were a warlike, violent people, much like the the later Vikings. The campaign against them was as much for defensive reasons and imperial ambitions than religious. Charlemange also fought against other christian German tribes. The difference between Jihad and Charlemange compaigns is that Jihads are largely religiously motivated, while the Saxon campaigns religion was only part of the reason!