Did the "Jewish exodus" from Babylon actually happen?

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AlpinLuke

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Oct 2011
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But we have every reason to believe that they would have been included, since we know that they were among the peoples taken captive by the Babylonians (and we know that their temple had been destroyed).

@reitia, AlpinLuke is correct, it was about 200 years before, not 300.
The cylinder is a document proving that the context presented in the Bible is in agreement with the real historical context. This is clear.
 
Jul 2017
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England mostly
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There is no evidence for the Exodus out of Egypt, but that particular exodus as all the attention, but people seem to be completely ignore that the Bible talks about another Exodus, out of Babylon.



Is there any historical evidence for this , Did Herodotus or any other Greek historians mention this? What route did they take, What where the 'Ethnic' of these 'Babylonian captives'. What where they doing in Babylon, locked in prisons, did Babylonian use them as slaves? Where the captives Persian Colonists ?
Not all the Jews in Judah were forced to go into exile in Babylon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity
It seems ancient Jews exiled to Babylon led quite a good life in Babylon:
Ancient tablets reveal daily life of exiled Jews in Babylon 2,500 years ago - TRENDING STORIES - Jerusalem Post
 
Jul 2017
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Crete
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Not all the Jews in Judah were forced to go into exile in Babylon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity
It seems ancient Jews exiled to Babylon led quite a good life in Babylon:
Ancient tablets reveal daily life of exiled Jews in Babylon 2,500 years ago - TRENDING STORIES - Jerusalem Post
They won't publish any of the translation and they keep referring too 'Jews' as if the Canaanites never existed, How do they distinguish 'Canaanites' from 'Jews' ?

What about those famous sea faring Phoenician merchants, according to the Babylonian chronicles, the people whom lived in the hills of Canaan, where 'tent people' or nomads , the only 'Merchants' where the Phoenicians living around the shores of the Mediterranean and they would have provided trade between the Babylonians with the Mediterraneans.

The Bible ignores the existences of the Phoenician merchants and every book of the Bible seems to be tirade against the Canaanites , was the Bible written by self-hating Canaanites?
 
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AlpinLuke

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Oct 2011
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They won't publish any of the translation and they keep referring too 'Jews' as if the Canaanites never existed, How do they distinguish 'Canaanites' from 'Jews' ?

What about those famous sea faring Phoenician merchants, according to the Babylonian chronicles, the people whom lived in the hills of Canaan, where 'tent people' or nomads , the only 'Merchants' where the Phoenicians living around the shores of the Mediterranean and they would have provided trade between the Babylonians with the Mediterraneans.

The Bible ignores the existences of the Phoenician merchants and every book of the Bible seems to be tirade against the Canaanites , was the Bible written by self-hating Canaanites?
Canaanite is a not so ancient definition. In the past they didn't generalize at that level [Egyptians named all the single cities and populations of that land].

Regarding the Bible and the Phoenicians, they are absolutely present [think to how Phoenicians helped Solomon to build the Temple].
 
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if the 'Jews' or 'Israelites' are not 'Canaanites' 'Syrians' 'Palestinians' or 'Phoenicians' then what is the ethnic, how are they distinct from the archaeological natives.

Herodotus lists 'Phoenicians, Syrians and Palestinians; living in that area , which one of these Ethnics are 'Jews-Israelites'.

How come the Empire of David-Solomon not cover the shores, such as Tyre, Sidon and Baalbek, the most important parts of the region.
 
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AlpinLuke

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if the 'Jews' or 'Israelites' are not 'Canaanites' 'Syrians' 'Palestinians' or 'Phoenicians' then what is the ethnic, how are they distinct from the archaeological natives.

Herodotus lists 'Phoenicians, Syrians and Palestinians; living in that area , which one of these Ethnics are 'Jews-Israelites'.

How come the Empire of David-Solomon not cover the shores, such as Tyre, Sidon and Baalbek, the most important parts of the region.
I think it's a matter of foreign [external] definition. In Italy we call the American Natives "Indiani", Indians, [because Columbus was thinking to reach East India], like we call the inhabitants of India [Indiani as well].

The archaeological discovery of the archive of clay table at Babylon tells us that the Persians called the Jews "Yahudaya". What if this term is [coming from "Yahud", the name of the land of origin of the Yahudaya] is not ethnic?

Yahud Medin'ta was the Aramaic name of the Persian province of Judah [also the previous Babylonian province carried the same name].

Could it be a geographical reference?

Americans are Americans because they live in America. America is not America because Americans live there ...
 
Jul 2017
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They won't publish any of the translation and they keep referring too 'Jews' as if the Canaanites never existed, How do they distinguish 'Canaanites' from 'Jews' ?

What about those famous sea faring Phoenician merchants, according to the Babylonian chronicles, the people whom lived in the hills of Canaan, where 'tent people' or nomads , the only 'Merchants' where the Phoenicians living around the shores of the Mediterranean and they would have provided trade between the Babylonians with the Mediterraneans.

The Bible ignores the existences of the Phoenician merchants and every book of the Bible seems to be tirade against the Canaanites , was the Bible written by self-hating Canaanites?
Hebrew is an ancient Canaanite Language:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language
According to some archaeologists, the Hebrews originated from an off-shoot of the ancient Canaanites. The Bible is not accurate at all.
 
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if the 'Jews' or 'Israelites' are not 'Canaanites' 'Syrians' 'Palestinians' or 'Phoenicians' then what is the ethnic, how are they distinct from the archaeological natives.

Herodotus lists 'Phoenicians, Syrians and Palestinians; living in that area , which one of these Ethnics are 'Jews-Israelites'.

How come the Empire of David-Solomon not cover the shores, such as Tyre, Sidon and Baalbek, the most important parts of the region.
The Israelites, Hebrews and Jews originated from the Canaanites and not from Ur of the Chaldeans as the Book of Genesis states. Hebrew originated from the Canaanite Language. According to archaeologists, the Hebrews are an off-shoot of the Canaanites. Modern DNA has shown modern male Jews are related to other peoples in the Levant, such as the Lebanese, Syrians and Palestinians.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/05/000509003653.htm
Palestinians are the ancient Jews forced to convert to Islam.
 

abram

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Oct 2014
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if the 'Jews' or 'Israelites' are not 'Canaanites' 'Syrians' 'Palestinians' or 'Phoenicians' then what is the ethnic, how are they distinct from the archaeological natives.

Herodotus lists 'Phoenicians, Syrians and Palestinians; living in that area , which one of these Ethnics are 'Jews-Israelites'.
Syrians. He thought they were Syrians who practiced circumcision. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ancient-greek-literature
But that's Herodotus for you. He had some poor tour guides. He couldn't tell one people from the other. http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/03/herodotus-palestine-and-jews.html
For further problems with Herodotus' reliability, see
http://www.loyno.edu/~history/journal/1998-9/Pipes.htm
http://dhayton.haverford.edu/blog/2013/06/30/scientists-prove-that-herodotus-lied/
http://listverse.com/2015/04/08/10-historical-facts-that-herodotus-got-hilariously-wrong/


How come the Empire of David-Solomon not cover the shores, such as Tyre, Sidon and Baalbek, the most important parts of the region.
Because the Phoenicians would have objected?
 
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