Did the Ottoman Empire ever make a claim on Central Asia?

Nov 2018
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Istanbul, Turkey
Yep, you are absolutely correct. I was thinking that Batumi was a part of Kars Oblast, but apparently not; rather, it had its own oblast:

Batum Oblast - Wikipedia

Were there any other territories that the Ottoman Turks claimed?
Actually we did not claim anything because the oblasts like Batum, Aleppo, Mosul, Kerkuk, Anthacia was belong to us when the ww1 ended. After the end of ww1, these oblasts were occupied by allied powers. While the Ataturk was recreating the country, he had to make consessions to these cities. Because at that time, no one would give something you without doing nothing. You had to get your rights with your force but we had no power to achieve it. We had constantly fought since the 1877-78 Russo-Turko war until the end of the Turkish independence war ( 1922) ( Russo Turko war > Turco-Italian War > First Balkan War > Second Balkan War > Ww1 > Turkish Independence war )
And as a result of it we were so tired of fighting.
 
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Futurist

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Actually we did not claim anything because the oblasts like Batum, Aleppo, Mosul, Kerkuk, Anthacia was belong to us when the ww1 ended.
I meant relative to the borders of 1914.

After the end of ww1, these oblasts were occupied by allied powers. While the Ataturk was recreating the country, he had to make consessions to these cities. Because at that time, no one would give something you without doing nothing. You had to get your rights with your force but we had no power to achieve it. We had constantly fought since the 1877-78 Russo-Turko war until the end of the Turkish independence war ( 1922) ( Russo Turko war > Turco-Italian War > First Balkan War > Second Balkan War > Ww1 > Turkish Independence war )
And as a result of it we were so tired of fighting.
Understood.
 

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The Central Asian Turks, from among whom the Anatolian Turks claim their own Turkic lineage, have themselves always been extremely independent spirited people, I reckon. That has indeed always been the predominant nature of nomadic people.

So, for Anatolian Turks to have militarily subjugated the CA Turks would have been something highly unlikely, their common pan-Turkic ancestry notwithstanding. OTOH, some kind of voluntary agglomeration into a pan-Turkic confederation of sorts, kind of a Greater Turkestan if one may, or even a Union of Turkic States, for mutual benefit, might have been possible, had there been a strongminded charismatic type leader to promote it.
 
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The Central Asian Turks, from among whom the Anatolian Turks claim their own Turkic lineage, have themselves always been extremely independent spirited people, I reckon. That has indeed always been the predominant nature of nomadic people. For Anatolian Turks to have militarily subjugated them would have been something virtually impossible, their common pan-Turkic ancestry notwithstanding. OTOH, some kind of voluntary agglomeration into a pan-Turkic confederation of sorts, kind of a Greater Turkestan if one may, for mutual benefit, might have been possible, had there been a strongminded charismatic type leader to promote it.
Would such a Pan-Turkic confederation have been possible if the CPs would have won WWI?
 
Mar 2016
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Antalya
There are several factors to consider.

1) Unlike Enver Pasha, certain Ottoman officers could see that with available resources at hand, they could only hold on to Anatolia and her surroundings.
2) As far as I know, other than near East of Anatolia, within Ottoman Empire state tradition, there was no interest in controlling Central Asia. Why try to control some region of the world that institutions of your state never cared for?

So, even if Ottoman Empire had power, they still would not care for Central Asia.
 
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Mar 2016
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Antalya
So, their views in regards to Central Asia were similar to Americans' views in regards to Britain--as in, a traditional homeland but not a territory that they want to subjugate?
This could also be the case. For sure, you can not convince Turkish population to fight some state in Central Asia for imperialistic objectives today. I am not sure about how Turks of East were seen back then. As far as I know, Ottoman Empire never considered Turks of East as enemies, maybe this is because of cultural common ground, or maybe because Ottoman Empire had no ambition targeting these regions.

By Turks of East, I mean anything beyond to the east of Crimean Khanate and Caspian Sea.
 
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Ottomas/Turks could not make a claim on territories of north-western Syria in which Turkoman people (not to be confused with Turkmens of Turkmenistan) who are genetically, culturally and linguistically similar to Anatolian Turks living on the border with Turkey. Syrian Turkmen - Wikipedia

Let alone on Turkestan in central Asia. On Yakutia (Saha) - forget it. Saha are culturally as other east Siberian living in permafrost (permanently frozen land) - the coldest region on the planet inhabited by people. As soon as Anatolian Turks visited cold Yakutia (-50C in winters regularly) seeing Siberian like people they will likely to say forget it.
In the past Anatolian Turks could not make a claim on Azerbaijan too . Azeri would probably refused to become Turks, as Azeri are Shiites and Anatolian Turks are Sunni despite Azeri and Anatolian Turks are linguistically and culturally similar. Nowadays, religion plays lesser role in Turkish and Azeri societies. But ethnogenesis of Azeri and Anatolian Turks already occurred. Many Azeri looked towards Turkey after loosing about 1/4 of its territory in Nagorny Karabakh.
Turkmenistan is seen as the original home-land of Oghuz Turkic (Azeri, Anatolian Turks, Azeri/Turks of northern Iran). Turkmens are culturally nomads and keep to themselves. In historic context Turkmens had more relations with Karluk (another branch of Turkic) speaking Uzbeks.
Kazakhs and Kyrgyz were also nomads speaking Kypchak. Kazakhs have been russified due to a large Russian speaking population living in Kazakhstan. In 1991 more than half Kazakh population could not speak and write in Kazakh properly. But Turkey was the first country to recognise Kazakhstan's independence in 1991. After several hours of independence announcement.

PS IMO Oghuz, Kypchak, Karluk (Uzbek, Uyghur), Oghur (Chuvash), Saha (Yakutian) are as different as Romance languages (Romanian, Italian, French, Portuguese, Spanish). Or North Germanic (Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, Icelandic) and western Germanic (two dialects of German, Dutch, English).
 
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