Did things not go smoothly?

Jul 2009
9,608
#61
From what I have read, it seems that it was N. Korea that walked away from the table, not the US.
N.K. has been playing POTUS for a year. Not only is there no intention to "denuclearize," but in the past year N.K. has been expanding its launch facilities and further improving its arsenal of weapons.

Due to the potential threat, it is less likely that Japan will NOT develop its own nukes, which would increase the chances of a nuclear exchange in east Asia. That eventuality is not the fault of the president of the US, but he is foolish for being played as he has been.

Thus far in two years the most important US foreign policy moves have benefited the adversaries of the United States. The president tends to believe everything he is told by his good friends Xi and Kim, and his man-crush Mr. Putin will apparently be deploying new weapons targeted at his Komrade's country.
 
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May 2018
103
Houston, TX
#62
How can you post that nonsense on a history forum?

Neville Chamberlain took the first deal offered because he held no cards, because Britain was not ready for war. He folded because he had no choice and then sold the agreement to the public as a diplomatic victory to stop future German aggression.

Trump didn't agree to anything, he walked out of the room.
You are right, my comparison is totally wrong. Apologies.
 

sparky

Ad Honorem
Jan 2017
4,119
Sydney
#63
Trump perfectly knew that if he signed some agreement , the star of the discussion would be the agreement text
it would take the focus from the main point which was him

I believe he went to the meeting not to get an agreement but to strike a pose
to have lasted the full allocated time with no text would be a plus to Kim
since he had held the US president attention for two days
by leaving early Trump show that whatever Kim though of himself was irrelevant
basically he was a football being kicked to the side lines
 
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Edratman

Ad Honorem
Feb 2009
6,473
Eastern PA
#64
There was an American politician who said in the past two or three years that he did not have respect for someone who was shot down in Vietnam. Who was that?????
 

Edratman

Ad Honorem
Feb 2009
6,473
Eastern PA
#65
From FOX News!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HANOI, Vietnam – President Donald Trump said he walked away from his second summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un because Kim demanded the U.S. lift all of its sanctions, a claim that North Korea's delegation called a rare news conference in the middle of the night to deny.

So who's telling the truth? In this case, it seems that the North Koreans are. And it's a demand they have been pushing for weeks in lower-level talks.

But a senior State Department official who briefed the media acknowledged what Pyongyang was seeking was the lifting of sanctions that impede the civilian economy and people's livelihood — as the North claimed.


Officials say Trump overstated Kim's demand on sanctions
 
Jul 2009
9,608
#66
Trump perfectly knew that if he signed some agreement , the star of the discussion would be the agreement text
it would take the focus from the main point which was him

I believe he went to the meeting not to get an agreement but to strike a pose
to have lasted the full allocated time with no text would be a plus to Kim
since he had held the US president attention for two days
by leaving early Trump show that whatever Kim though of himself was irrelevant
basically he was a football being kicked to the side lines
You have a clear view of that aspect of the POTUS's personality. It is all about the show, and he has to see himself as the winner at all times. If he cannot win, he declares victory anyway as he has in the past, or he walks away. He cannot handle being seen as the loser.

On a side note to the failed meeting, POTUS has a lot of issues at home these days. He would be much better served letting the lower level officials handle most of the discussion with N.K., but he cannot stand that. It has to be all about him, even if the other side is playing him for time - which is what N.K. has been doing all along.
 
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Oct 2013
6,158
Planet Nine, Oregon
#67
Better than before, perhaps rescued from himself by Pompeo? I'm not a fan of the president, if something good comes from narcissism and volatility, and it confuses allies and enemies alike, that is not a star I would hitch too.
 
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royal744

Ad Honoris
Jul 2013
10,146
San Antonio, Tx
#68
Those "negotiations" always had something surreal about them .
The one and only reason why the US attach some importance to North Korea is because they are nuclear capable
should they totally denuclearize , their importance would drop to near zero
I'ts pretty obvious that they would have to get some very serious incentive to go that way

from the time of the red Indians to today Iran
the US signing treaties has as much standing as people peddling the statue of liberty to tourists
those tend to be torn in piece no matter the consequences

Further any treaty has zilch chance of passing congress ,
the Democrats would torpedo any Trump proposal , even if it was to cure cancer or universal peace
sad but true
Trump has no national authority behind him , he can do some executive orders but those can be thrown out in minutes

So Trump came empty handed , he left empty handed

what amaze me is that there doesn't seems to have been much groundwork before
the normal way is to have a team work out the details , write the text complete
go back home for the top leadership approval
and then , only then ,the leaders travel somewhere to sign the papers in front of the cameras and make a speech
while the medias go weak at the knees
This what happens when the chief executive doesn’t have a clue as to what he is doing. I would be amused at this juvenile behavior but there is nothing funny about it, or about him.
 

royal744

Ad Honoris
Jul 2013
10,146
San Antonio, Tx
#69
Any other president wouldn't have been stupid enough to grant the dictator of North Korea the privilege of such a meeting and the opportunity to legitimise his murderous regime on the world stage through high profile meetings without demanding any firm guarantees in return. I'm all in favour of direct talks between the two countries and I'm glad Trump got his expensive photo opportunities and his desperately needed chance to play the role of statesman in pursuit of international prestige and the gratification of his insatiable ego, but we're not any closer to peace and - if anything - Kim has come out as somewhat of a moral victor so far. Where was the backchannel diplomacy leading up to this summit to prevent it from turning into the big failure that it was? I'm afraid Trump is being duped and everyone can see it but him. It's fairly obvious the North Koreans were never planning on giving up their nuclear arsenal. They're going to stall these talks for as long as they can in order to gain maximum profit, without ever giving up their leverage, thereby cleverly taking advantage of the incompetence and improvidence of the current US administration. So far only the US has been making concessions.[/QUOTE)

You’re right.
 

royal744

Ad Honoris
Jul 2013
10,146
San Antonio, Tx
#70
N.K. has been playing POTUS for a year. Not only is there no intention to "denuclearize," but in the past year N.K. has been expanding its launch facilities and further improving its arsenal of weapons.

Due to the potential threat, it is less likely that Japan will NOT develop its own nukes, which would increase the chances of a nuclear exchange in east Asia. That eventuality is not the fault of the president of the US, but he is foolish for being played as he has been.

Thus far in two years the most important US foreign policy moves have benefited the adversaries of the United States. The president tends to believe everything he is told by his good friends Xi and Kim, and his man-crush Mr. Putin will apparently be deploying new weapons targeted at his Komrade's country.
Rigtht. It was crystal clear from the start that a) the prez did not prepare for the meeting, b) the prez does not read position papers or briefing papers of any kind; c) he is terminally lazy and a hip=shooter who thinks that’s a substitute for actually dong any work;; d) he is not smart, has no ability to be empathetic...very depressing that a man of this low caliber is our president. How is it possible that we could have fallen so low?