Did Tsarist Russia ever make a claim on Kurdistan?

Mar 2019
105
Victoria, Australia
#21
According to the Treaty of San Stefano: the territorial changes of the russo-turkish border in the Caucasus was quite set:

(b.) Ardahan, Kars, Batumi, Bayazet, and the territory as far as the Saganlough.


In its general outline, the frontier line, leaving the Black Sea coast, will follow the crest of the mountains which separate the affluents of the River Hopa from those of the River Tcharokh, and the chain of mountains to the south of the town of Artwin up to the River Tcharokh, near the villages of Alat and Bechaget; thea the frontier will pass by the peaks of Mounts Dervenikghek, Hortchezor, and Bedjiguin-Dagh, by the crest which separates the affluents of the Rivers Tortoum-tcha'i and the Teharokh by the heights near Zaily-Vibine, coming down at the village Vihine-Kilissa to the River Tortoum-chai; thence it will follow the Sivridagh Chain to the pass (col) of the same name, passing south of the village of Noriman ; then it will turn to the south-east and go to Zivine, whence the frontier, passing west of the road which leads from Zivine to the villages of Ardost and Horassan, will turn south by the Saganlough Chain to the village of Gilitchman ; then by the crest of the Charian-Dagh it will arrive, ten versts south of Hamour, at the Mourad-tchai defile ; then the line will follow the crest of the Alla-Dagh and the summits of the Hori and Tandourek, and, passing south of the Bayazet Valley, will proceed to rejoin the old Turko-Persian frontier to the south of the lake of Kazli-gueul.]] The definitive limits of the territory annexed to Russia, [[and indicated on the map hereto appended [MAP],]] will be fixed by a Commission composed of Russian and Ottoman delegates.


This Commission in its labors will take into account the topography of localities, as well as considerations of good administration and other conditions calculated to insure the tranquility of the country.


(c.) The territories [[mentioned in paragraphs (a) and (b)]] are ceded to Russia as an equivalent for the sum of one billion, two hundred million rubles. As for the rest of the indemnity, apart from the 10,000,000 rubles intended to indemnify Russian interests and establishments in Turkey—namely, 300,000,000 rubles1—the mode of payment and guarantee of that sum shall be settled by an understanding between the Imperial Government of Russia and that of His Majesty the Sultan2.


1 Cf. the definitive Treaty of Peace of 8th February, 1879
2 This was done by the Convention of 14th May, 1882


(d.) The 10,000,000 rubles claimed as indemnity for the Russian subjects and establishments in Turkey shall be paid as soon as the claims of those interested are examined by the Russian Embassy at Constantinople and handed to the Sublime Porte3.


3 Cf. ibid. The sum is not to exceed 27,750,000 francs.
The only thing is that the border may have a few 'intepretations' as to where, exactly, the border lies and may result in a variety of territorial disputes of minor lands (nothing major, perhaps a few of a few hundred meters square worth of territory). Either way, I don't see this being ambiguous enough to warrant further wars or anything major.


I do remember reading somewhere the russia/soviet union wanted to expand into 'greater armenia' which includes some of the historical kurdish lands. can't quite find the source though.
 
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Ad Honoris
May 2014
16,647
SoCal
#22
According to the Treaty of San Stefano: the territorial changes of the russo-turkish border in the Caucasus was quite set:

The only thing is that the border may have a few 'intepretations' as to where, exactly, the border lies and may result in a variety of territorial disputes of minor lands (nothing major, perhaps a few of a few hundred meters square worth of territory). Either way, I don't see this being ambiguous enough to warrant further wars or anything major.

I do remember reading somewhere the russia/soviet union wanted to expand into 'greater armenia' which includes some of the historical kurdish lands. can't quite find the source though.
That treaty stopped being valid as a result of WWI, though.
 
Mar 2019
105
Victoria, Australia
#23
True, but since we are talking specifically of tsarist russia, it doesn't really matter how valid the treaty was after WW1 since tsarist russia didn't exist......