Do German Lutherans are predominately of Saxon origin?

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The differences are still in the conciousness, different wines, different cuisine, different dialect, different customs and different ways of celebrating the same events.
A.J.P Taylor (the most famous British historian of the 20th century) called the North Western Germans and Netherlanders literally the true descendents culturally and biologically of the Franks. In his interpretation Franks (and their "true" German descendants) are the most evil people on Earth , he even linked the German WW2 mentality and the cruel mentality of medieval Franks. Somehow element of Frankish mass psyche and nehavior system survived for a long period of time. The German high culture was just an excellent mask to hide that.



Only the technology changed dramatically during 1000years, but the inside (soul) remained the same barbarian.

 
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authun

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A.J.P Taylor (the most famous British historian of the 20th century) called the North Western Germans and Netherlanders literally the true descendents culturally and biologically of the Franks. In his interpretation Franks (and their "true" German descendants) are the most evil people on Earth , he even linked the German WW2 mentality and the cruel mentality of medieval Franks. Somehow element of Frankis mass psyche survived for a long period of time. The German high culture was just an excellent mask to hide that.
AJP Taylor also claimed that Bismarck united Germany by accident, that World War One was entirely the result of the German Railway Timetables, and that the abolition of British Summer Time in the 1970s was to align ourselves with Germany which would allow us to have gas chambers at 8 o'clock in the morning. He was a highly politicised historian, a marxist, who spent much of his time on current affairs programmes on the BBC. His work is largely the modern history of central europe, generally covering Bismarck to Hitler but also managing to liken Britain as treating the "whole of Ireland like a Bergen Belsen". He has never published any work on the Franks. He was not the most famous british 20th century historian but may be the most controversial, being described by Hugh Trevor Roper as someone who "managed to annoy just about everybody in the British historical profession, and his interpretive daring, while sometimes strikingly original, often seemed willfully perverse to his peers and colleagues."

"Anyone who claims to learn from history," Taylor wrote with breathtaking assurance in 1967, "should devote himself to promoting an Anglo-Soviet alliance, the most harmless and pacific of all possible combinations."
 
Nov 2017
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#43
AJP Taylor also claimed that Bismarck united Germany by accident, that World War One was entirely the result of the German Railway Timetables, and that the abolition of British Summer Time in the 1970s was to align ourselves with Germany which would allow us to have gas chambers at 8 o'clock in the morning. He was a highly politicised historian, a marxist, who spent much of his time on current affairs programmes on the BBC. His work is largely the modern history of central europe, generally covering Bismarck to Hitler but also managing to liken Britain as treating the "whole of Ireland like a Bergen Belsen". He has never published any work on the Franks. He was not the most famous british 20th century historian but may be the most controversial, being described by Hugh Trevor Roper as someone who "managed to annoy just about everybody in the British historical profession, and his interpretive daring, while sometimes strikingly original, often seemed willfully perverse to his peers and colleagues."

"Anyone who claims to learn from history," Taylor wrote with breathtaking assurance in 1967, "should devote himself to promoting an Anglo-Soviet alliance, the most harmless and pacific of all possible combinations."

The 9 Greatest British Historians of All Time - Historians For Britain

Can you see? Among the 20th century British histoians he has the first infobox. It is not a coincidence.


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He had right. To make time able for such big countries is very very difficult (demanding nioghtmare work), and you can not solve it by applying bigger staff for that, because it does not work, it is impossible with a bigger team. It was the case until the computer designed time-tables did not appear. You can not slice up this work for more teams in a relativelly physically small, but very railway dense countries like Uk or Germany. You can not hire more than 10 -15 persons for that enormous work, otherwhise confusion & miscommunication collapse it.
 
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Linschoten

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Taylor wasn't exactly a Marxist, although he had socialist sympathies, and he was independent-minded and not always predictable in his views, somethimes cranky; his books make very good reading and one can always learn something from them.
 
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Nov 2017
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#46
It is amusing to find H.G.Wells and - Stefan Zweig ! - listed among the nine greatest Brtish historians!
So among the political/diplomatic researcher historians, there were no bigger historians than Taylor. No wonder that he was picked up by the media, because he could speak well in the live TV shows & radios . unlike the most historian scholars whose verbal intelligence is not enough good for live performances, they had enough IQ only to write books. You can edit/re-edit reword all of your writings, therefore the symbol of Verbal IQ is the live speech and live debates according to psychologists.

So you can not measure real verbal IQ of a person from his books. Only live performance really matters in the quality of verbal IQ.
 
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Linschoten

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#47
It is not a good list, although Taylor was undoubtedly a very good historian at his best. Unfortunately he was also capable of being very silly.
 
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#48
It is not a good list, although Taylor was undoubtedly a very good historian at his best. Unfortunately he was also capable of being very silly.
Tyalor had 10000% right about the railway time tables. It is a nighmare work for a small team, and you can not slice it up for multiple teams, nor can you hire (impossible) a big stuff for that. Its importance: Not only the military success but the whole economy was dependent on that. Around late 1917 and 1918 German team made some very fastly (and ill) designed time-tables (for military and economy) it was also a factor in their defeat (among many other factors) It had a catalyst factor.

Quick and ill-designed time table-plans = BOTTLE-NECKS

In the case of A-H Empire (which had bigger railway system than Britain or France) literally crippled the economy and the military. When economic historians watch the resources of A-H , they can't explain on the simple numbers on resources (because they had enough resources and materials for the war), why was it the only country where industrial output shrinked during the war, these were caused by the catastrophic logistic planning problems. (Both Hungarian and Austrian railways switched their time-tables quicly, the result was economic and later military crash. All other powers could raise its industrial ouput, A-H empire can not keep up its peace-time pre-war itself!
 
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authun

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The 9 Greatest British Historians of All Time - Historians For Britain

Can you see? Among the 20th century British histoians he has the first infobox. It is not a coincidence.
You claimed earlier that you were an electrical engineering graduate. Having studied electrical engineering with Rowan Atkinson, your approach reminds me more of his character Mr Bean than Rowan or any of the other students.

Why don't you do some work on the subjects you post about? You seem to scour the web searching on google for anything which agrees with your prejudice. Now, if you were quoting the Royal Historical Society or some other organisation of his peers, that would carry weight. However, the historiansforbritain.org website is not full of historians and is a pro brexit lobby, nothing to do with history at all really and certainly nothing to do with the Franks. They just add names to the list in order to it makes them look as if they attract learned support. It is supported by Andrew Roberts and David Starkey but on the other side we have a long list who argue against them: Professor Simon Schama, Professor Ian Kershaw, Professor Niall Ferguson, Dr Juliet Gardiner, DR Thorpe, Professor David Runciman, Richard Davenport-Hines and a 164 other signatories.
Lessons from history for the Brexiteers | Letters from Simon Schama and others and Jack Dromey MP

You are confusing a modern political debate with academic scholarship and using it as a source for a view on the Franks. Like Mr Bean, I don't think you have the foggiest idea of what is going on.
 

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