Do you consider Greece and Romania part of the Balkans?

Do you consider Greece and Romania part of the Balkans?

  • Yes, both Greece and Romania

  • Only Greece

  • Only Romania

  • No, neither Greece nor Romania


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Offspring

Ad Honorem
Mar 2013
7,888
România
#51
Why not also include Moldova, though? After all, Moldovans and Romanians are essentially one people and Moldovans also have a history of living under Ottoman rule. For that matter, so do the Hungarians.
The Balkans have to end somewhere, as someone already said. Moldova is too far from the peninsula. If it's debatable if Romania is part of the Balkans, then it's hard to say Moldova is.

It's one thing to be a vassal of the Ottoman Empire, without ever being part of the Empire, it's another thing to be fully part of the Russian Empire for more than a century, then get a break for about two decades, then be part of the USSR and get heavily Russified for about half a century. Plus, the Russian period happened more recently. The last time that region was part of a vassal state of the Ottoman Empire was over two centuries ago.

As for Hungary, it's almost never considered part of the Balkans. It's not even mentioned in the wiki article. Balkans - Wikipedia The map from EB even excludes the predominantly ethnic Hungarian regions of Romania from being in the Balkans (it's hard to notice, because it's white and light yellow), which is silly, but it's a good way of demonstrating how non-Balkanic Hungary is considered (they only did that with ethnic Hungarians living in Romania). The Republic of Moldova is there, but it's never mentioned in the article.
 
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Sep 2012
3,843
Bulgaria
#53
2/3s of Transylvanians are Eastern Orthodox, but it's a religiously diverse region: Transylvania - Wikipedia

Croatia is 86.2% Catholic, Bosnia and Herzegovina is 51% Muslim, Albania is 58.7% Muslim, Kosovo is 95.6% Muslim.
I kinda tried to adjust to armageddon87's first map and focused only on the line that divides Romania. Anyway this religious divide is not a very good idea even for this country only, considering that you have muslim population in the very eastern / southeastern regions.
 

Offspring

Ad Honorem
Mar 2013
7,888
România
#54
I kinda tried to adjust to armageddon87's first map and focused only on the line that divides Romania. Anyway this religious divide is not a very good idea even for this country only, considering that you have muslim population in the very eastern / southeastern regions.
They are 0.34% of the population (~65.000), but they have a rich history here (7 centuries, old mosques and buildings). They have 77 mosques and 10 are historical monuments.

After our independence, they were 56% of the county of Constanza, but a lot of them moved to the Ottoman Empire for economic reasons.

After the Great War, they were ~200.000 out of ~7 million people. They were 185,486 in 1930. Losing Southern Dobruja (and there being a war) changed that to 28.782 in 1949. It grew until 2002 (67,257), but then it went to 64,337 in 2011, according to the census (the Muftiate in Romania estimated 70,000 for 2012 and the State Secretariat for Religious Afffairs estimated 67,300 for the same year).

Some data from the 2002 census: 310 ethnic Romanians were Muslims, 980 Turks were non-Muslim and 294 Tatars were non-Muslim.

In 2002, we had 32,098 Turks and 23,935 Crimean Tatars, while in 2011 we had 27,698 Turks and 20,282 Crimean Tatars.

Nowadays, usually, in places like the city of Constanza for something like a national period of mourning after a tragedy, a priest says an Orthodox prayer and he is followed by an imam who says a Muslim prayer.
 
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Mar 2019
39
Europe
#55
Why not also include Moldova, though? After all, Moldovans and Romanians are essentially one people and Moldovans also have a history of living under Ottoman rule. For that matter, so do the Hungarians.
No. Definitely no.
Moldovans are not Romanians. Maybe only for the Romanian government. Moldovans are not the same people with the Romanians, that's why they live in two separate countries. It makes sense, right?
After all, let me tell you something. Everybody on the Balkans pretends that a smaller country next to his is actually "One country" with them. Same reason of why Russia pretends that Ukraine is part of Russia.
Greece considers Macedonia Greek. Serbia considers Macedonia Serbian. Bulgaria considers Macedonia Bulgarian.
It's a game with no ending as there are completely different views on history.
But we have moved too much out of the topic. It's a pure geographical topic. And, yes. Apparently both Greece and Romania are on the Balkans.
 
Mar 2013
994
Breakdancing on the Moon.
#56
IMO what really makes it stand apart is only their post ww2 history, not turning commie after 1945. If they also had that 40 years commie rule, they wouldn't be much different from Bulgaria, North Macedonia, Romania etc.
No I disagree. The level of western involvement right down to the inception of the state is quite different. It goes back before that. Even communism in Greece was different (see 'gunpowder priests').
 

Ficino

Ad Honorem
Apr 2012
6,932
Romania
#58
No. Definitely no.
Moldovans are not Romanians. Maybe only for the Romanian government. Moldovans are not the same people with the Romanians, that's why they live in two separate countries. It makes sense, right?
What do you mean by "Moldovan", and according to your opinion, since when the Moldovans are not Romanians?