Do you think Communism is as bad as Nazism?

Cepheus

Ad Honorem
Dec 2011
2,280
Yugoslavia was pretty nice compared to others.
My understanding is that the political environment was rather volatile. Hence Tito's much feared secret police.

The political system, whatever it was did not last long before it broke up either.

Maybe it was better for some if one compares it to life under Stalin. But, that isn't saying much.
 
Nov 2018
345
Denmark
I often see the same fear here when it comes to older people. Someone would talk about some party/politician, while being in public, and they'll shush that person and say something like: "others can hear you". It's been 30 years since the fall of Communism here and that's how hardwired the fear and paranoia are.
Exactly, I think you must have experienced it yourself to know what it is like to live in a totalitarian regime.
You do not have to compare communism and Nazism; Communism can stand alone with its evil.
The problem with communism is, if one roughly divides it, that it is still supported by the some members of the western intelligentsia and Nazism is supported by some members of the subclass.
Which means the first one has a much better press.
Even here in Denmark, if it turns out that a public person or his family has been a member of the Nazi party during the war. It creates public scandal, even though they were not active Nazis or were only members for a short time.
On the other hand, it has emerged that several public figures during the Cold War passed information to the Russian embassy. Fortunately, they were not in a position where they could provide information the Russians could use for anything.
It has had no consequences whatsoever. Although technically it was treason.
 
Nov 2018
345
Denmark
By "Russian Bolshevism", you mean Stalinism? Because those things you say were Stalin's deeds, if I'm not mistaken. Subsequent Soviet leaders were not as murderous as him.
No, but that was how Lenin and his companions were, Stalin learned a lot from him. Had Lenin lived longer, he would probably have been in the same league as Stalin and Hitler. He did what he could, when he was alive, others have mentioned Red Terror.
 
Sep 2012
3,882
Bulgaria
You are not really helping your argument here.

Just saying.
This is the centre point of discussion. Most of the people here putting aside Russian Bad Wolf or Bear, ethocentrism, tribalism, you are not like us ergo you are evil etc chauvinist nonsense are talking about a particular period of Soviet history - Stalinism - the political doctrine which dze Jughashvili aka the Man of Steel implemented in the USSR during the years of his reign, including mentioned in this thread collectivisation of agricultural lands, nationalization of all means of production and mainly the creation of a cult of personality through an extensive use of propaganda. On the opposite side is Hitlerism, the reign of Hitler in Germany which ended abruptly with the defeat of the Third Reich. Note nobody talks about post-Stalin Soviet periods, Khrushchev and his fight with the established cult of personality, Soviet Union during Breznev, the short rule of Chernenko and Andropov or Gorbachev and his Glasnost and Perestroika.
 
Sep 2016
1,215
Georgia
My understanding is that the political environment was rather volatile. Hence Tito's much feared secret police.

The political system, whatever it was did not last long before it broke up either.

Maybe it was better for some if one compares it to life under Stalin. But, that isn't saying much.
Yeah, secret police and LCY were still there. However, Yugoslavia was more liberal compared to other Socialist regimes. In 1967 Yugoslavia opened its borders to all foreign visitors and abolished visa requirements, for example. It traded extensively with the West and the East. In 1960's emigration restrictions were also lifted.
 
Sep 2016
1,215
Georgia
Really ? What about Goli Otok ?
My ex-husband grew up in the Yugoslav state of Croatia , that's right it could be worse .
But the worst thing he said was that even if you were in the lap of the family then you never knew who to trust .
Well, I didn't say it was ,, sunshine and rainbows ''. However, it was more liberal compared to other Communist countries.