Do you think it’s been Animal Holocaust & Slavery?

Oct 2017
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I see that there’s a few threads on this forum on the comparing the Holocaust & slavery, so now I’m creating a thread comparing them both to the situation of animals, past & present.

The term history includes today of course since time is all connected isn’t it. The term ‘holocaust’ is mostly if not almost exclusively used in reference to the Nazi genocide that was targeted at Jews, however I would consider slavery to be a form of a Holocaust as well in that while it may not be direct killing most of the time, it still deprives the lives & potential of groups & individuals. So I actually use the term Holocaust more broadly than just referring to the Nazi one to include any systematic oppression of groups & individuals.

When comparing the Holocaust to slavery, it’s important to keep in mind that slavery lasted much longer than the Holocaust, it seems to be as old as agriculture or at least settled living itself. New World slavery seems to have been the most systematic, large scale & de-humanizing form of slavery during history, it had literally turned one of our species’ major divisions into livestock. Furthermore, the Holocaust was a direct extermination project, whereas slavery was primarily social & economical oriented.

I’ve come across the term ‘Black Holocaust’ & ‘Native American or Indian Holocaust’ several times in reference to the unfortunate historical experiences of African & Native Americans, so as a biologist & nature-enthusiast the term gets me thinking about the situation of animals as well.

Comparing the situation of animals to slavery & the Holocaust doesn’t seem to be new, it’s been noted throughout history as well, but mostly during the development of animal rights as a formal issue during the last century. Animal Rights enthusiasts seem to like referencing & comparing human slavery to that of animals, & I think for good reason for there are indeed many similarities & analogies & thus much to learn from.

Certainly the situation for animals as well as people today can be described as utopic compared to before animal rights emerged as a formal subject, when there was virtually no such thing as animal rights, & combined with both animals’ lowly reputation among humanity as well as the lack of science & technology to reveal animal sensitivity & capability, must have all meant that it was both unpleasant as well as dangerous to be an animal throughout history, like it was for African Americans during slavery.
but there’s still lots of progress to be made for animal as well as human rights.

Sure, humans as well as animals have long hunted each other, but that’s quite distinct from any systematic oppression of them isn’t it? & while there’s plenty of archaeological evidence of animal hunting, there barely seems to be any of animal as well as human slavery prior to the Neolithic. So indeed hunting is quite very distinct from slavery, though slaves are indeed often caught by hunting, but the main point is that hunting & hunted is mostly a matter of chance, response & being able to escape or not, indeed that’s been a major driver for evolution, whereas slavery is an unnatural long term condition which isn’t found in nature & in which nobody is evolved for.

So do you think that humanity is an animal Holocaust? If so, since when? The agricultural or Neolithic revolution, or the birth of humanity itself? Is it even inevitable as long as humans & animals are together?

How would you compare the situation of animals to that of slavery & the Holocaust? How would you compare the situation & oppression of animals to that of humans, past & present?

& to the big question, do you think animals should have equal rights to humans, along the lines of post-enlightenment, that of life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, equality, & justice, as well as the fundamental freedoms I.e. of suffering, deprivation etc. If you do, it’s important to keep in mind that there are of course important differences, so just how far do you think natural rights should or can apply to animals?

Also what do you think of my avatar in reference to this?
 
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This thread ain’t supposed to be a joke like my other thread on whether plants have genders turned out to be! Plants don’t have nervous systems, but that of domestic animals is very similar to ours’.

Here we’re dealing with very real issues, real suffering & quality & sanctity of life, the same sorts of issues which affected people historically, especially during the enlightenment.

For those that don’t agree that animals should have the same rights as humans, that kind of mentality supports slavery, prejudice & discrimination of other groups of humans with even minor differences like skin color, the only difference with animals is that they don’t have the exact same cognitive means as us to communicate, & even when they do manage to it’s often dismissed.

Let’s have you transported to a cannibalistic tribe or cult to house you in uncomfortable conditions & work you to death before cooking you & see what you think of that.
 
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Naomasa298

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This thread ain’t supposed to be a joke like my other thread on whether plants have genders turned out to be!

Here we’re dealing with very real issues, real suffering & quality of life, the same sorts of issues which affected people historically, or at least during the enlightenment.
When was the last time you took antibiotics?
 

Naomasa298

Forum Staff
Apr 2010
35,457
T'Republic of Yorkshire
This thread ain’t supposed to be a joke like my other thread on whether plants have genders turned out to be!

Here we’re dealing with very real issues, real suffering & quality of life, the same sorts of issues which affected people historically, or at least during the enlightenment.
When was the last time you took antibiotics?