Do you think that Hitler's Austrian birth and upbringing influenced him in any ways that a German birth and upbringing would not have?

Kotromanic

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Dec 2011
4,857
Iowa USA
#31
A comment was made about Hitler, Stalin and Napoleon all coming from the South (which is very subjective). I think the more important aspect is that they all come from the perriphery. The perriphery made Stalin an outlaw, which made him useful for Lenin as he could "find" the money when needed and so came close to the center of power, which he then took for himself. People from the perriphery also often have clearer ideas about what the characteristics of their nation/ethnicity are or ought to be than people in the center, or at least that was true in Hitler's case. Idk what the perriphery did to Napoleon. They all had complexes. Perhaps that's what shaped them more. Was Napoleon's family abusive ad well?
I have not read of Bonaparte's father being abusive. Note *also* relative to Dzugashvili and Shicklegruber, that Bonaparte put a relatively large amount of energy in implementing policies which created a legacy after his passing. There's an belief in the future beyond himself which seems consistent with being raised absent serious emotional abuse.
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
4,785
Sydney
#32
Napoleon wasn't any more abusive than any middle class Corsican were , VERY family orientated
he also was a younger son with meager prospect , he knew he would get nothing much beside connections

Angelica "because he was jealouse of the Jewish people success he became hateful towards them "
French Jews consider Napoleon as a great friend ,
he had some prejudices but by the standard of the time they were quite benevolent

Napoleon had a mixed record on slavery , he re-established it in the French territories which had been outside government control
where the French revolutionary authority had control such as French Guiana and Guadeloupe , the slaves freed by the revolution remained free
where the territory hadn't applied the law , Martinique , under British occupation and St Domingue in open revolt , slavery , not having been abolished remained
for memory , St domingue fought against a military expedition and succeeded in establishing its independence even though she was ostracised by pretty much everybody

From the Jewish encyclopedia
NAPOLEON BONAPARTE - JewishEncyclopedia.com

"By breaking up the feudal trammels of mid-Europe and introducing the equality of the French Revolution he effected more for Jewish emancipation than had been accomplished during the three preceding centuries. The consistory of Westphalia became a model for other German provinces until after the fall of Napoleon, and the condition of the Jews in the Rhine provinces was permanently improved as a consequence of their subjection to Napoleon or his representatives. Heine and Börne both record their sense of obligation to the liberality of Napoleon's principles of action, and the German Jews in particular have always regarded Napoleon as one of the chief forerunners of emancipation in Germany. When Jews were selecting surnames, some of them are said to have expressed their gratitude by taking the name of "Schöntheil," a translation of "Bonaparte," and legends grew up about Napoleon's activity in the Jewish ghetto (see "Sippurim," ii. 193-196). "
 
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Feb 2019
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Serbia
#33
I have not read of Bonaparte's father being abusive. Note *also* relative to Dzugashvili and Shicklegruber, that Bonaparte put a relatively large amount of energy in implementing policies which created a legacy after his passing. There's an belief in the future beyond himself which seems consistent with being raised absent serious emotional abuse.
Napoleon's family wasn't abusive and not really particularly unusual in that regard I would say, his mother was probably the greater influence on him than his father.

Napoleon had a mixed record on slavery , he re-established it in the French territories which had been outside government control
where the French revolutionary authority had control such as French Guiana and Guadeloupe , the slaves freed by the revolution remained free
where the territory hadn't applied the law , Martinique , under British occupation and St Domingue in open revolt , slavery , not having been abolished remained
for memory , St domingue fought against a military expedition and succeeded in establishing its independence even though she was ostracised by pretty much everybody
Napoleon re-established slavery in some parts of France but abolished it in some of his conquests, Malta comes to mind.

San Domingo fought for independence but was pretty violent to French colonists, it was supported by Britain.