Do you think that the US aggressively preventing Vietnam reunification justified?

Is it justified?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • No

    Votes: 13 81.3%

  • Total voters
    16

Viperlord

Ad Honorem
Aug 2010
8,109
VA
The argument about Ho Chi Minh being a communist and that by extension justifying what else we did, as you noted, is weak, and it's especially weak because Ho Chi Minh sought support from the West in the 1940s before turning to the Soviets because he had nowhere else to go for support. We turned him down and chose to back French colonialism in exchange for De Gaulle joining the western alliance against the Soviets instead.
 
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Oct 2018
5
Vietnam
I'm also aware there were many other motives behind US policy in Vietnam that have little, if any, basis in morality or law. This viable alternative argument is the only argument I can find that is morally justifiable and even then I think it's a weak argument. At some point you have to let people live with their choices even if you think they've made the wrong choice. We probably should have let the Vietnamese live with the choice they would have made in 1955 - national unity under a Communist government.
Somehow American people only realized this so lately? Shouldn't this be the default thinking, that self-determination is supreme, that a country's internal issues should only be decided and handled by its people alone, that outsiders have no right to interfere under any circumstance?
 

Chlodio

Forum Staff
Aug 2016
4,463
Dispargum
If your world view includes an element of global international Communist conspiracy then the rise of Communism is Vietnam is not Vietnamese self-determination. It's Soviet or Chinese interference in the internal affairs of Vietnam to which US interference is merely restoring the balance. It's very hard for people who think they can solve a problem to sit back and watch a problem without interfering. You should try it sometime. Americans are a very optimistic people, and we tend to overestimate our ability to make a positive difference in the world.

Look at it from the point of view of 1955: The US had just successfully kept Communism out of South Korea. Eventually democracy took root there. If you asked South Koreans today if they wish all of Korea had been unified under a Communist government in 1950, most would say 'No.' That's all we were trying to do in Vietnam - repeat the success of the Korean War.
 
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Sep 2013
172
planet earth
if the Vietnam war never happened, it would of not effected neighboring countries like Cambodia and laos as well. The Khmer rouge would of never came in to power in Cambodia because they would'nt have the support of the N.V.A who based themselves in Cambodia during the Vietnam war. The carpet bombings of Cambodia, laos would of never happened. Han noi would of been spared being obliterated by B52's bombers. The people of "Indochina" would of been spared living in a war zone for a decade if the war never took place.

a lot of hindsight, but the "what if the war never happened" would of been a better situation for the countries of former indochina than what played out because of cold war politics of it's time.
 
Oct 2019
95
West Virginia
The USA adventure in Vietnam was just another in a long list of bloody colonialist blunders. To pretend it was necessary due to the Soviet threat is to ignore the pre-1945 history of France maintaining control of Vietnam by exceedingly vicious means, and in fact the entire history of Eurocolonialism.

Ho famously communicated with FDR, asking for USA support and friendship, but this was denied due to the USA fear of Ho's communism. Vietnam could have been united at that time and been a Western ally.

Historical hindsight unfortunately avails naught.
 
Oct 2019
95
West Virginia
if the Vietnam war never happened, it would of not effected neighboring countries like Cambodia and laos as well. The Khmer rouge would of never came in to power in Cambodia because they would'nt have the support of the N.V.A who based themselves in Cambodia during the Vietnam war. The carpet bombings of Cambodia, laos would of never happened. Han noi would of been spared being obliterated by B52's bombers. The people of "Indochina" would of been spared living in a war zone for a decade if the war never took place.

a lot of hindsight, but the "what if the war never happened" would of been a better situation for the countries of former indochina than what played out because of cold war politics of it's time.
The Khmer Rouge took power because Nixon foolishly bombed out the Cambodian infrastructure to the extent that Lon Nol could not utilize the USA military equipment he had.

And let's not forget that Vietnam, unified, threw Pol Pot out of Phnom Penh and then left, without occupying the country! Hardly the act of expansionist communists, eh?
 
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