Does Mt Paektu/Changbaishan have a greater symbolic importance in Korean mythology?

Jun 2018
2
forest
It has been recently proven that in Qing dynasty annals the story of the Qing dynasty origins story in Manju i yargiyan kooli was forged and assembled from other similar creation legends. The location of their sacred mountain and lake was actually in a different location hundreds of li away from Changbaishan.

The original foundations of the story suggests the Qing originated from towards the Amur River, rather than towards Changbai Mountain

Would this mean that Korea has a greater historical claim to the mountain than to the Chinese nation?

I like to reference these sources:

Ginseng and Borderland
Territorial Boundaries and Political Relations Between Qing China and Choson Korea, 1636-1912

https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520295995/ginseng-and-borderland

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-chinese-history/article/writing-an-empire-an-analysis-of-the-manchu-origin-myth-and-the-dynamics-of-manchu-identity/07FC88C3A956FC31ACE2983099062EAD/core-reader

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/modern-asian-studies/article/knowing-a-sentient-mountain-space-science-and-the-sacred-in-ascents-of-mount-paektuchangbai/1F3135CCE3E298A5702D0D819E290189/core-reader
 
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mariusj

Ad Honorem
Aug 2015
2,028
Los Angeles
It has been recently proven that in Qing dynasty annals the story of the Qing dynasty origins story in Manju i yargiyan kooli was forged and assembled from other similar creation legends. The location of their sacred mountain and lake was actually in a different location hundreds of li away from Changbaishan.

The original foundations of the story suggests the Qing originated from towards the Amur River, rather than towards Changbai Mountain

Would this mean that Korea has a greater historical claim to the mountain than to the Chinese nation?

I like to reference these sources:

Ginseng and Borderland
Territorial Boundaries and Political Relations Between Qing China and Choson Korea, 1636-1912

https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520295995/ginseng-and-borderland

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-chinese-history/article/writing-an-empire-an-analysis-of-the-manchu-origin-myth-and-the-dynamics-of-manchu-identity/07FC88C3A956FC31ACE2983099062EAD/core-reader

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/modern-asian-studies/article/knowing-a-sentient-mountain-space-science-and-the-sacred-in-ascents-of-mount-paektuchangbai/1F3135CCE3E298A5702D0D819E290189/core-reader
What about the song from Sui dynasty? 无向辽东浪死歌, Don't go to Liaodong because you will die song? Very first sentence, In front of the Changbaishan there is the Zhi-shi-lang (man who know reality)? Is that the same Changbaishan we are talking about?
 
May 2017
117
Hong Kong
What about the song from Sui dynasty? 无向辽东浪死歌, Don't go to Liaodong because you will die song? Very first sentence, In front of the Changbaishan there is the Zhi-shi-lang (man who know reality)? Is that the same Changbaishan we are talking about?
The Changbaishan mentioned in that song was/is in Shangdong Province not the same one located in Dongbei of China.
 
May 2017
117
Hong Kong
It has been recently proven that in Qing dynasty annals the story of the Qing dynasty origins story in Manju i yargiyan kooli was forged and assembled from other similar creation legends. The location of their sacred mountain and lake was actually in a different location hundreds of li away from Changbaishan.

The original foundations of the story suggests the Qing originated from towards the Amur River, rather than towards Changbai Mountain

Would this mean that Korea has a greater historical claim to the mountain than to the Chinese nation?

I like to reference these sources:

Ginseng and Borderland
Territorial Boundaries and Political Relations Between Qing China and Choson Korea, 1636-1912

https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520295995/ginseng-and-borderland

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-chinese-history/article/writing-an-empire-an-analysis-of-the-manchu-origin-myth-and-the-dynamics-of-manchu-identity/07FC88C3A956FC31ACE2983099062EAD/core-reader

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/modern-asian-studies/article/knowing-a-sentient-mountain-space-science-and-the-sacred-in-ascents-of-mount-paektuchangbai/1F3135CCE3E298A5702D0D819E290189/core-reader
There are parts in Manjuyuanliukua 满洲源流考 are proven to be false but most parts are still good for references for truth. The origin legend was similar in main contents with various Juchen tribes. There were dozens of versions of the same theme.

The earliest recorded version was from the "Diary of Kong hai-kun"光诲君曰記 of Chosun in the year 1614 the month of June
"或稱雀者,以真母吞雀卵而生酋故也."-"Or you can address him (Narhacci ) as a bird for his mother had swallowed a bird's egg then she born him (Narhacci) as a result.

According to 吉林通志 the General Chronicle of Kirin 23.5% to 45.4% of the names of the Yalu river, Tumen river and Songa river with their tributaries were in the Juchen or Manchu terms.
 
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