Early Soviet imperialism

Sep 2019
185
Slovenia
Already at the beggining Soviet union was following and aggresive policy taking over by force smaller countries which gained independence after the civil war in Russia started. For example in february 1921 Red army invaded Georgia and occupied the country. Armenia wa occupied even a few months earlier by the Soviets. They promised they will like protect them from Turks and that they will not persecute non- communist Armenians. They failed to keep both.

In the case of Baltic countries and Poland Red army was trying to occupy them and them through Poland strike in to the Europe. But Poland was able to repeal the Soviet attack and these countries remain independent until 1939 when they were divided by two totalitarian regimes and to arch dictators Hitler and Stalin. Because Poland repealed Red army attack it was considered an enemy state by Soviet communist leaders.

The newly formed Red army was growing in personnel, and Vladimir Lenin could gather enough strength to replace withdrawing Western curtain forces by solid military and re-take the lands lost by Russia in 1917 by simply following the withdrawing German army - with which previous communists made an agreement and were supported by imperial Germany with the aim that they will cause revolution and put Russia out of WW1 . Upon receiving the news about the German Revolution, on November 13, 1918, the Soviet government annulled the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk and issued orders to the Red Army to move in the direction of Belarus, Ukraine and the Baltic States in order to establish Soviet governments there. The newly-created (on November 16) Western Army moved at night of November 17, 1918, into the operational vacuum created by the withdrawing German Imperial army. This move, in the general direction of Belarus, Ukraine and Poland (parts of the latter within Imperial Russia were referred to as "Privislinsky Krai" ), according to N. Davies, was code-named "Target-Vistula".

The offensive in the Vistula River direction by the newly created Western Army had the aim of establishing similar Soviet governments in Belarus, Ukraine and Poland and to drive as far west as possible in order to join up with the German Revolution and to ignite the World revolution.


Soviet westward offensive of 1918–19 - Wikipedia
 
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In the case of Baltic countries and Poland Red army was trying to occupy them and them through Poland strike in to the Europe. But Poland was able to repeal the Soviet attack and these countries remain independent until 1939 when they were divided by two totalitarian regimes and to arch dictators Hitler and Stalin. Because Poland repealed Red army attack it was considered an enemy state by Soviet communist leaders.
I am sorry what history are you reading. It is well documented that Poland started that war.
 
Aug 2018
274
America
I'm not going to dispute the Soviet Union being imperialist, but this is ironic and self-contradictory on the part of anti-Communists given that fascists and capitalists have been the biggest imperialists of history.
 
Sep 2019
185
Slovenia
MG1962a no Poland only reacted after USSR started its advance west toward Germany. Before war with Poland started advance was well going on in Ukraine, with the Soviet occupation of Lithuania and so on. It was aimed at Baltic states and Poland. They were bridge to Germany.Soviet advance started in November 1918.
 
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May 2014
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Already at the beggining Soviet union was following and aggresive policy taking over by force smaller countries which gained independence after the civil war in Russia started. For example in february 1921 Red army invaded Georgia and occupied the country. Armenia wa occupied even a few months earlier by the Soviets. They promised they will like protect them from Turks and that they will not persecute non- communist Armenians. They failed to keep both.

In the case of Baltic countries and Poland Red army was trying to occupy them and them through Poland strike in to the Europe. But Poland was able to repeal the Soviet attack and these countries remain independent until 1939 when they were divided by two totalitarian regimes and to arch dictators Hitler and Stalin. Because Poland repealed Red army attack it was considered an enemy state by Soviet communist leaders.

The newly formed Red army was growing in personnel, and Vladimir Lenin could gather enough strength to replace withdrawing Western curtain forces by solid military and re-take the lands lost by Russia in 1917 by simply following the withdrawing German army - with which previous communists made an agreement and were supported by imperial Germany with the aim that they will cause revolution and put Russia out of WW1 . Upon receiving the news about the German Revolution, on November 13, 1918, the Soviet government annulled the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk and issued orders to the Red Army to move in the direction of Belarus, Ukraine and the Baltic States in order to establish Soviet governments there. The newly-created (on November 16) Western Army moved at night of November 17, 1918, into the operational vacuum created by the withdrawing German Imperial army. This move, in the general direction of Belarus, Ukraine and Poland (parts of the latter within Imperial Russia were referred to as "Privislinsky Krai" ), according to N. Davies, was code-named "Target-Vistula".

The offensive in the Vistula River direction by the newly created Western Army had the aim of establishing similar Soviet governments in Belarus, Ukraine and Poland and to drive as far west as possible in order to join up with the German Revolution and to ignite the World revolution.

Soviet westward offensive of 1918–19 - Wikipedia
Yes, the Soviet Union was certainly very imperialist from the very beginning. Stalin's "socialism in one country" approach was only adopted after the partial failure of Soviet imperialist plans in the aftermath of WWI--and even then, Stalin's attitude in regards to this changed after WWII when he spread Communism to Eastern Europe.

This Soviet imperialism probably caused Britain and France to be extremely hesitant in dealing with the Soviet Union in 1938-1939. This prevented the formation of a broad anti-Nazi coalition early on and thus made things extremely bad for the Soviet Union later on when it lost 27 million lives in the fight against Nazism. :(
 
Sep 2016
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天下
I am sorry what history are you reading. It is well documented that Poland started that war.
Is it? Bolshevik army first struck at Polish forces at Vilnius on 4th of January, and on 5th they created a Polish Revolutionary Council which was meant to be the future Communist government in Poland after the victorious war.

There was no official declaration of war and the border wasn't demarcated yet, both armies were rushing to take control over as much territory as possible from the retreating German army.
 
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Ad Honorem
Sep 2012
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You guys forgot about the Whites and the Russian Civil War. On this White's propaganda poster Lenin and Trotzky are depicted as surrounded by Whites and Entente forces, note the White Finns in northwest and Poles in the west /between the Finns and the Poles is the Northwestern White Army of General Yudenich.

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Though in reality Poles didnt cooperate with the the Whites in the slightest. I read that Pilsudski was suspicious of all Russians, regardless of their colour / political orientation - white red black green they were all the same. Even read accusations that during the march of General Denikin towards Moscow, Poland concluded a temporary truce with the Bolsheviks and because of that they were able to transfer several divisions and stop the Volunteer army less than 200 kilometers from Moscow. The enemies of the Reds and their in/famous lack of cooperation.
 
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