Economy of Third Reich was a socialist economy

Oct 2019
95
West Virginia
You devolved into current politics, which are you are not supposed to do. Your posts are their own calling card. I didn't "call" you anything.

Had you read the thread, you would be familiar with what I did write.
1. All these terms (socialism, communism, fascism and capitalism) are vague, almost to the point of meaningless. Right and Left don't coney a lot of meaning for me either.
2. All regimes employ ideas and practices that could be associated with any of the four above labels, or that could be called bastardizations of the label. (And WW2 is not a clash of these isms, just look at who is in bed with whom).
3. Nobody wants to be linked with Nazi's, so people who like ideas that they associate with "socialism," are not going to want to admit that National Socialism is socialism.

OK, let's Are you included in #3?

The post that put you on the warpath said that one of the four isms I mentioned requires central control. I'd argue they all entail central control. If they were never enforced, we wouldn't have labels for them. They wouldn't be four "isms."
All modern govts require central control. That's the nature of the beast.

First, you make my case for me, that those political labels are misused, vague and seldom defined.

Then you insist that Nazism is "socialism"! Yet, as you said, we could apply any of those terms to any system, so vague are the terms and so complicated the politics of any nation.

Warpath? I challenged your vague use of language. This is a forum where one debates, argues, etc. That does not qualify as "war"... another word whose meaning you might want to clarify in your own head.

Your concluding point seems to be that you find cause for labeling me with one of those terms, presumably "socialist", as if that is a pejorative. So, yes, I support the political system of Denmark, NZ, Israel, Germany and Canada... how reprehensible.
 
Oct 2019
95
West Virginia
@Barros Serrano the definition is from encyclopedia Britannica. And if you read this topic you saw that economy in Scandinavia is capitalism.
The Scandinavian countries all practice demosocialism, as does every nation in the EU and nearly every other developed nation on the planet.

"Capitalism", like "Socialism", is relative. Capitalism occurs in Denmark, as does socialism. Things are not as simple or simplistic as you're making out.

And these definitions apply to the world before 1991 as well as now.
 

royal744

Ad Honoris
Jul 2013
10,631
San Antonio, Tx
@Peaceful about communists fighting for 'world brotherhood' it was in the way as old Babeuf explained about Robespierre: He wantde to feed the French yes...but with killing half of them. Plus as should I add also Hitler's racial doctrine was not without socialist elements. Jews being enemies of German people because they are selfish by nature, Aryan Germans are by nature inclined to work for the good of Aryan society etc.

@Sam Nary that i agree. I said it in this way that you can not have free market with monopolies. You can have only monopoly controled market.
There are legal monopolies possible under a free enterprise system. For example, many years ago, communities and cities would settle on, for example, a single telephone company to provide telephone services in a given city. This was intended to do away with destructive and chaotic competition to provide an ‘essential public service’. What this meant back then was the telephone service provider pretty much made a guaranteed profit in exchange for an orderly market in providing an essential public service.

Now that hard-wired telephones are disappearing from the scene the price of home telephone service seems to have plummeted but nothing will bring that utility back any time soon.
 
Sep 2019
182
Slovenia
Look at the economic analyses of Scandinavia:


 

pugsville

Ad Honorem
Oct 2010
9,477
@Barros Serrano the definition is from encyclopedia Britannica. And if you read this topic you saw that economy in Scandinavia is capitalism.
Well if Britannia is the authoritiave source of definitions then the quetsion of the thread is decided and you are 100% wrong.

"Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934."

Or is Britannia is only authoritative when it agrees with you?
 
Sep 2019
182
Slovenia
@Pugsvile this i explained before already. Hitler pushed from power not just left wing Nazis but also conservatives which wanted or hoped to control him and not long ago after Strasser. Marxists and specially communists were also persecuting other socialists so this is not an argument too. And the third here we are talking about the economy of Third Reich not in general about Nazis. In economy of the Third Reich they were soon, before the war applied socialistic model.
 

pugsville

Ad Honorem
Oct 2010
9,477
@Pugsvile this i explained before already. Hitler pushed from power not just left wing Nazis but also conservatives which wanted or hoped to control him and not long ago after Strasser. Marxists and specially communists were also persecuting other socialists so this is not an argument too. And the third here we are talking about the economy of Third Reich not in general about Nazis. In economy of the Third Reich they were soon, before the war applied socialistic model.
They did not. Otherwise Britian, the USA war eequally socialist during the war. Government control does not equal socialism.

You keep pushing you narrow view supported by a very small group of of a propagandists think tank. You source almsot everything you have posted of the one web site. really you need to get out and encounter a wider range of views.
 
Sep 2019
182
Slovenia
Economy during the war can not really be compared to the economy in peace because the enemy is destroying the free market ot at leat blocking it in many ways and still even during the war such harsh measures of state control were not introduced in UK or in USA as they were in Nazi Germany before the war.