Elephant in the room in Nazi-Soviet military comparison

Aug 2013
613
Pomerium
People assume Soviet military can single-handedly knock out Nazi military

But some things are just too obvious:

Nazi military vs Soviet military = match-up of two soccer teams

Lend-Lease materiel = performance enhancing substance

Anglo-Ameican air campaign + ground invasion + naval blockade = match fixing by sending off three German players
 

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
23,584
SoCal
People assume Soviet military can single-handedly knock out Nazi military

But some things are just too obvious:

Nazi military vs Soviet military = match-up of two soccer teams

Lend-Lease materiel = performance enhancing substance

Anglo-Ameican air campaign + ground invasion + naval blockade = match fixing by sending off three German players
I completely agree with you that no Lend-Lease means that the Soviet Union's army will not be mechanized enough to make it to Berlin on schedule, if at all.
 
Feb 2014
527
South Carolina, USA
They would've won without the Allies, just sometime in 1946. After the Soviets revived their industry and turned back the Germans at Kursk they gained the degree of military superiority needed to win a total victory.
 

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
23,584
SoCal
They would've won without the Allies, just sometime in 1946. After the Soviets revived their industry and turned back the Germans at Kursk they gained the degree of military superiority needed to win a total victory.
Didn't the Soviet Union already receive a lot of Lend-Lease aid even before the Battle of Kursk, though? Plus, it is worth noting that, as far as I know, Lend-Lease aid made the Soviet Union's military much more mechanized than it would have otherwise been.
 

Lord Fairfax

Ad Honorem
Jan 2015
3,509
Space Bat Lair
They would've won without the Allies, just sometime in 1946. After the Soviets revived their industry and turned back the Germans at Kursk they gained the degree of military superiority needed to win a total victory.
It's not the US Lend Lease that was the critical factor, it was the Allies (Britain, Commonwealth & Allies) who tipped the balance by tying up at least 30 - 40% of Axis units, aircraft & production during the critical first 12 - 18 months of the war in the East
 
Jun 2015
1,309
Scotland
It's not the US Lend Lease that was the critical factor, it was the Allies (Britain, Commonwealth & Allies) who tipped the balance by tying up at least 30 - 40% of Axis units, aircraft & production during the critical first 12 - 18 months of the war in the East
A while ago I posted an idea that the Battle of Britain was the point of decision in WW2. If lost no blockade, no lend lease, no restrictions on resource supply and Axis undivided attention on defeating the Soviets. I was shouted down a bit for suggesting it but seems there is some agreement on this thread.
 

Pendennis

Ad Honorem
Mar 2013
3,386
Kirkcaldy, Scotland
Lend-Lease had only a very marginal effect on Soviet armour production or performance between 1941-45 and any claims to the contrary are unsustaiinable historicallly.
On the contrary, the Soviet production of tanks like the T-34 -innately superior technically and battlefield performance wise to ANY Lend Lease supllied tanks like the British Valentine, made Lend- Lease armour subsidiary to the Soviet Union's batlefield capababilities
For example, during the battle of Stalingrad T-34 tanks were driven off the production line in a local tank factory right into combat -no Lend Lease stuff anywhere to be seen.
Where traditional historians have gone wrong is in claiming that Nazi Germany suffered cataclysmic and irreplaceable tank losses at Kursk in July 1943- still widely believed today-this is incorrect.
In fact, German industry made good the large Wehrmacht tank losses at Kursk in 1943 a remarkably short time.
The continued widespead introduction of Soviet tanks like the 100 mm gunned and 120 MM gunned S.U.series TANKS ALSO INCREASINGLY RENDERED Lend Lease supplied armour as being irrelevant to Soviet victory in 1944-45.
No western tank had 100 MM or 120 MM gunned tanks in 1945 as the Red Army did. The 90MM Patton or the British 17 pounder gunned Sherman ''Firefly' being as good as it ever got for the western allies by 1945.