Emanuela Orlandi or Mirella Gregori disapearence solved?

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There isn't so much info about Mirella Gregori but there is a fine documentary with real audio tapes and footage about Orlandi, only it is in Italian called "Scomparsi Speciale Emanuela Orlandi". It seems Enrico's mistress Sabrina Minardi declared the girl had been kidnaped by Enrico's men by order of archbishop Marcinkus because the girl's father had seen compromising documents. Minardi's version is mentioned around min 37:10 of the documentary. The girl would have been killed and thrown on a cement mixer. Enrico's organization Banda Della Magliana is also accused of attacks against the Vatican to force the restitution of money they had lent to the Vatican Bank through the Ambrosiano Bank. It risks being more bad news for the Vatican:
 
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There are other versions that include John Paul's shooter and the kidnapping for Vatican sexual parties as declared the Rome's diocese exorcist at the time Gabriele Amorth. Though these last seem a bit more far fetched and one may ask if they are not cover up attempts.
 
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The article The Orlandi Code contains a curious episode related to this, if it is true: "After the mass, Francis stood at the exit and warmly greeted every person who left. He shook Maria’s hand and said, “Emanuela is in heaven.” Then he greeted Pietro, who recalls saying to the pontiff, “Until there is proof to the contrary, I live in hope that she’s alive. And I hope you will help me find the truth.” In answer, the Pope repeated, “She’s in heaven.” " It also contains a description of how the presumed kidnapping took place showing how young girls should be careful about being lured by promises of contracts and modeling careers and not assume because a person is well dressed and has a good car he/she is honest.
 
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Also the specialists in the documentary/debate Enigma ,and it is difficult to understand because it is in Italian, seem to suggest around minute 19:40 that the phone calls mentioning a girl called Barbara with similar traits to Orlandi could have been a form o disinformation.
 
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The Italian wikipedia has much more info. Could it be that father's Gabriele Armoth's version and Manardi are compatible with each other or indeed the former the true story? On the above documentary the criminalist Francesco Bruno seems to tell something about using a bigger case to hide a smaller. So maybe all the international conspiracy scenarios were only meant cover up.

Mirella's mother, during a visit by the Pope to the Roman parish of Saint Joseph on December 15, 1985, [3] recognized a man of Vatican Vigilance belonging to the escort, Raoul Bonarelli, a person who often spoke with his daughter and a her friend in a bar near the house.



"The pedophile track

According to an investigative track, Emanuela Orlandi would have been attracted and killed in a round of sexual parties in which clerical exponents, a Vatican gendarme and a diplomatic staff of a foreign embassy to the Holy See would have been involved. [27] Other investigations refer to a track leading to Boston, involving pedophile priests. [28]

According to Father Gabriele Amorth, the young Emanuela Orlandi would have died in an orgy of pedophiles held in the Vatican. The girl would have been drugged and involved in an orgy in which she would have been killed. This is the hypothesis that, in an interview issued on May 22, 2012 in La Stampa [29], it was advanced by the religious, defined by the newspaper "world leader of exorcists"; the news is also published in his book The Last Exorcist.

In the interview, the exorcist states the following: "As also declared by Monsignor Simeone Duca, Vatican archivist, parties were organized in which a gendarme of the Holy See was involved as a" recruiter of girls ". I think Emanuela is the victim of that tour. [...] I never believed in the international track, I have reason to believe that it was a case of sexual exploitation with subsequent murder shortly after the disappearance and concealment of the corpse. Also involved was a diplomatic staff of a foreign embassy to the Holy See ".

The same hypothesis, involving also Paul Marcinkus, was made by the collaborator of justice Vincenzo Calcara, former affiliate of Cosa nostra, who reported to the transmission Who saw it? in 2014 a presumed confidence of a mafia boss, claiming that Orlandi died during a party based on drugs and sex, and is buried in the Vatican with other alleged young victims. [30]

An anonymous source, as early as 2005, would have confided to a similarly similar tenor, namely that Emanuela would have died, perhaps accidentally, following a "convivial meeting" held near the Gianicolo, located at the bus terminus that the girl should have take to go home, in the residence of a high priest or in any case of a person close to the Vatican and that his body would probably have been hidden nearby [2] [3].




The testimonies of Sabrina Minardi and the resumption of investigations

In 2006 the journalist Raffaella Notariale picked up an interview by Sabrina Minardi, ex-wife of Lazio football player Bruno Giordano, who between the spring of 1982 and November of 1984 had a relationship with Enrico De Pedis. Two and a half years later, on June 23, 2008, the Italian press reported the statements that Sabrina Minardi had made to the judicial bodies that had decided to listen to her: Emanuela Orlandi would have been killed and her body, locked up in a bag, thrown into a cement mixer in Torvaianica. On that occasion, according to Minardi, De Pedis would have also got rid of the corpse of an 11-year-old boy killed for revenge, Domenico Nicitra, son of a historical member of the band. Little Nicitra, however, was killed on June 21, 1993, ten years after the time when Minardi traces the episode, and three years after the death of De Pedis, which occurred at the beginning of 1990. According to reports from Sabrina Minardi, the kidnapping of Emanuela Orlandi would have been carried out materially by Enrico De Pedis, on the orders of Monsignor Paul Marcinkus "as if they wanted to give a message to someone above them".

In particular, Minardi told of having arrived by car (a white Autobianchi A112) at the bar of the Gianicolo, where De Pedis had told her to meet a girl who was supposed to "accompany the petrol station of the Vatican". A dark BMW arrived at the appointment, with the driver "Sergio", the driver of De Pedis and a red Renault 5 with on board a certain "Teresina" (the housekeeper of Daniela Mobili, a friend of Minardi) and a confused girl, recognized by the witness as Emanuela Orlandi. "Sergio" would have put it in the BMW whose guide went the Minardi herself. Left alone in the car with the girl, the woman noticed that this "cried and laughed together" and "seemed drugged". When he arrived at the gas station, he found himself waiting in a Mercedes with the name of the Vatican City, a man "who looked like a priest" who took it over. [17]

The girl would then have spent her imprisonment in Rome, in a house owned by Daniela Mobili in via Antonio Pignatelli 13 in Monteverde Nuovo - Gianicolense, which had "an immense underground that almost reached the San Camillo Hospital" (whose existence, in addition to a small bath and an underground lake, was ascertained by the investigators on June 26, 2008 [24]). The housekeeper of Signora Daniela Mobili, "Teresina", would take care of her; according to Minardi, the Furniture, married to Vittorio Sciattella, was close to Danilo Abbruciati, another leading exponent of the Banda della Magliana, involved in the Calvi case and who ordered the restoration of the building in via Pignatelli. [7]

La Mobili has denied knowing Minardi or having played a part in the kidnapping, since in those years she was, like her husband, in prison. However, Minardi has always referred to the housekeeper "Teresina", who actually worked in the apartment at the time, even if she did not have a driving license. [31] [32] Subsequently, Minardi cited another member of the Band (corresponding to an old identikit [33]) who, traced by the police, confessed that the shelter in via Pignatelli was a hiding place, "but not for the kidnapped, [but] for the wanted. It was the refuge of "Renatino" [De Pedis] », denying the connection between the former boss of the Magliana and the kidnapping Orlandi [34].

Also emerges the character of Giulio Andreotti, in which Minardi tells of having gone to dinner twice, along with his partner De Pedis, at that time already wanted by the police. The woman specifies, however, that Andreotti "has nothing to do with Emanuela Orlandi directly, but with Monsignor Marcinkus, yes". [17]

Minardi's statements, although they have been recognized by the investigators as partially inconsistent (also due to the use of drugs by women in the past) have gained greater credibility in August 2008, following the discovery of the BMW that Minardi has recounted that he had used for the transport of Emanuela Orlandi and was previously owned by Flavio Carboni, an investigated entrepreneur and then acquitted in the trial of the death of Roberto Calvi, and subsequently one of the members of the Banda della Magliana [35].

The publication of the minutes given to the Magistrates by the Minardi provoked protests by the Vatican, which, through the mouth of Father Federico Lombardi, spokesman for the Holy See Press Office, spoke of "lack of humanity and respect for the Orlandi family, which revives it. pain ", and defined as" defamatory the accusations made against Monsignor Marcinkus, long dead and unable to defend himself ". [36]

On November 19, 2009 Sabrina Minardi, interviewed at the Public Prosecutor's Office of Rome by the deputy prosecutor Giancarlo Capaldo and the public prosecutor Simona Maist "
 
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AlpinLuke

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Oct 2011
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It's probable ... in Italy we have suspected Vatican environments since the beginning. But to suspect doesn't mean to be able to prove something.

let's be clear: that a teen disappears is not a great event, teens disappear everyday around the world. It's not so common that teens disappear after getting in touch with the Vatican where there are the headquarters of the Catholic Church which should be the safest place in the world for everybody ... Christian charity doesn't contemplate the possibility to kidnap and kill a teen ... [at least this is what we usually think ...].

A factor which is affecting this matter is the recent problems of the Catholic Church with pedophilia. They have tent to hide the problem, not to face it, making all public: let's sacrifice the victims to the silence to save the image of the Church ...

This has generated a not irrelevant mistrust towards the Vatican.
 

holoow

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Jun 2012
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Nothing new...French politician and writer Pierre Manuel (later executed by guillotine) in his completely forgotten book La police de Paris devoilee ''[ 1789] ( The Parisan police exposed ) mentioned sexual crimes committed by clergy...
 
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Coming to the case, Roberta Bruzzone has suggested that the bones are of the friend of Orlandi, Mirella Gregori [unfortunately the page is in Italian "Di chi sono quelle ossa", la verità sulla Orlandi. Parla la Bruzzone: "Quell'orrore in Vaticano..."].
Thanks to google translator it must read something like:
"The bones found at Villa Giorgina, home of the Apostolic Nunciature, in the Vatican, could be by Mirella Gregori, the girl who died in 1983 together with Emanuela Orlandi. An indication will come from the scientific exams on the remains of one, maybe two, skeletons for now there are only clues: the remains belong to a petite woman, over the age of fifteen. Roberta Bruzzone, in an interview with Il Tempo, said: "It seems to me frankly early to express an opinion, of course it is a disturbing discovery because there is no doubt that the remains are linked to a homicidal action".

Read also: "If the murderer of Orlandi is a priest, then ...": Felt, the brutal truth

And "more than saying what does not come back, I think it's important to say what comes back", underlines the criminologist. The investigation was powerful, addressed without delay to the search for truth. The problem, as Pietro Orlandi said, is that every time we tried to reach the goal, we were faced with an obstacle, which came not from outside the Vatican walls. This detail makes us reflect ".

"I believe that the cases" of Emanuela and Mirella "have been unduly linked". Indeed, according to Bruzzone, this connection "did not help the investigation into the disappearance of the first, and if I had to hypothesize an annex between the skeleton and the two teenagers, I would certainly think more to Mirella Gregori than to Orlandi". "