Emanuela Orlandi or Mirella Gregori disapearence solved?

AlpinLuke

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Oct 2011
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#22
Nevertheless according to Abattino the kidnaping of Orlandi is related to the deaths of the bankers Sindona and Calvi.
Well, the death of Michele Sindona was typically Italian ... a "suicide" in a prison. Nothing more above suspicion than that. In Italy Mafia tends to kill using methods above suspicion ... better if there is a suicide around. What's less clear is the connection of Mafia with a teen in the Vatican State.

Among other things, we should keep in mind that Sindona died years after the disappearance of Orlandi. Sure Sindona was involved in the Calvi affair, but I'm not that ready to see him involved with the case of Orlandi and her friend.
 
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#23
His words were:
"L’omicidio di Michele Sindona e quello di Roberto Calvi sono legati al sequestro Orlandi. Se non si risolve il primo non si arriverà mai alla verità sulla fine di Calvi e sulla scomparsa della ragazza. I tre casi sono collegati da un flusso di soldi finiti nelle casse del Vaticano e mai restituiti”
The BDM it seems was only implicated in the affair after an anonymous phone call mentioning Di Pedis' burial in a Vatican basilica and latter Minardi's testimony. Before that the theories seemed to have been mostly related with Cold War conspiracies.
 
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#24
Well, the death of Michele Sindona was typically Italian ... a "suicide" in a prison. Nothing more above suspicion than that. In Italy Mafia tends to kill using methods above suspicion ... better if there is a suicide around. What's less clear is the connection of Mafia with a teen in the Vatican State.

Among other things, we should keep in mind that Sindona died years after the disappearance of Orlandi. Sure Sindona was involved in the Calvi affair, but I'm not that ready to see him involved with the case of Orlandi and her friend.
It seems it was considered a suicide because the smell of cianide in his coffee was too strong to go unnoticed. Could Abattino be pointing to a common denominator?

From a credibility point of view we would have to accept father Gabriele Armoth's version and also of course what the pope said.

As a footnote Sindona case involves a figure that looks at par with judge Falcone, Giorgio Ambrosoli.
 
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AlpinLuke

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Oct 2011
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#25
It seems it was considered a suicide because the smell of cianide in his coffee was too strong to go unnoticed. Could Abattino be pointing to a common denominator?

As a footnote Sindona case involves a figure that looks at par with judge Falcone, Giorgio Ambrosoli.
Ambrosoli had assassinated by a killer payed by Sindona [25,000 + 90,000 USD = 115,000 USD ... this is how much a life valued in that moment ...], at least this is what Italian Justice Courts have stated. To say all [considering that I'm going to mention Mafia, usually it's better not to say all ... but I'm a Knight ...] the man who created the contact between Sindona and the killer was a man of honor of Cosa Nostra, Robert Venetucci.

In Italy it's better not to spend words about who inspired all these crimes ... There hasn't been a definitive sentence and the person [a milestone in Italian politics] is dead. So, better not to mention.
 

AlpinLuke

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Oct 2011
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Lago Maggiore, Italy
#27
Reading about this case has been a grand tour on Italy's recent history...maybe the surname started with an "A"?
Let's honor a History forum: there is no absolute judiciary certainty, but the name is ... Giulio Andreotti. He has been investigated and condemned [in early degrees] because of external support to Mafia.
 
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#28
Let's honor a History forum: there is no absolute judiciary certainty, but the name is ... Giulio Andreotti. He has been investigated and condemned [in early degrees] because of external support to Mafia.
Agreed, lets be honest that even in the case we have been discussing nothing is certain and most of the people mentioned may have done nothing of the things attributed to them.
 

AlpinLuke

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Oct 2011
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Lago Maggiore, Italy
#29
Agreed, lets be honest that even in the case we have been discussing nothing is certain and most of the people mentioned may have done nothing of the things attributed to them.
We need to explain a bit the Italian recent historical context: Christian Democrats didn't agree so much with NATO and American geopolitical interests, but the "Red threat" forced them to stay on a side [there was a part of the Catholic environment not so far from the Communists ... in Italy they were called "Catto-Comunisti" ... that is to say Communist Catholics ... Aldo Moro was among them, just to mention the political man who got killed by Red Brigades, probably just because he didn't take clearly side, looking for peace and cohabitation ... the worse thing ever for extremists of all colors].

To keep the control the Christian Democrats weren't that "legal" about how to collect votes. In Sicily the "exchange vote" with the involvement of Mafia was a habit. But it wasn't a crime [a crime exists when a law states that a crime exists].

So that, the trial against Andreotti was based more on later interpretation of behaviors and later laws ... the Parliament introduced a curious crime: external sustain of Mafia [in Italian ... concorso esterno ...]. Technically that's a really absurd crime. Are you a friend of a man of honor? Even if you don't know he's a man of honor you risk to go to jail.

In some regions of Italy it's difficult to reach high social levels without contacts with some "environments".

Then, keep in mind that a great part of the judges in Italy is leftist ... so political opponents of the Christian Democrats [and of Andreotti] in the past, and today of the moderates. The absence of a final sentence at the end is even positive: we can live with our personal conspiracy theories ...
 
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Feb 2012
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#30
The communist threat then managed to unite such disparate groups as the CC, fascist organizations, the umderworld and the free masonry.
It must not have been easy to deal with the criminal organizations considering their close ties with government officals and other institutions. The BDM alone had ties with the secret service and they used a ministerial facility as a depository for weapons.
Andreoti was also a member of the P2 lodge as were the bankers mentioned, and the organization with members able to mobilize billions even had overseas projects.
 
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