Et Tu, Brute? Marcus Brutus or Decimus Brutus?

Et Tu Brute?

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Et Tu, Brute? Marcus Brutus or Decimus Brutus?

Richard A. Billows in his book Julius Caesar: Colossus of Rome, proposes the theory that Caesar was closer to Decimus Brutus than Marcus Brutus. Further that Caesar gave up and stopped resisting when stabbed by Decimus rather than Marcus. The common belief is that it was Marcus Brutus largely based upon Caesar's relationship with his mother Servilla. However, Decimus was also very close to Caesar even appearing in his will. Caesar also drank with Decimus the night before and was escorted by him to the assassination. What do you think? Marcus or Decimus?

Appian: "He (Caesar) exhibited the same affection and preference for this man(Marcus Brutus) in all things. It was even thought that Brutus was his son, as Caesar was the lover of his mother, Servilia about the time of his birth"

Appian: "Among the conspirators also was Decimus Brutus Albinus, one of Caesar's dearest friends."

Suetonius: "But beyond all others Caesar loved Servilia, the mother of Marcus Brutus, for whom in his first consulship he bought a pearl costing six million sesterces."

Suetonius: "He named several of his assassins among the guardians of his son, in case one should be born to him, and Decimus Brutus even among his heirs in the second degree."
 
Sep 2019
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Did Caesar even say in Latin "Et Tu, Brute" as in in Shakespeare's play?

Et tu, Brute? - Wikipedia

Last words of Julius Caesar - Wikipedia
You are correct that's just Shakespeare's rendition:

Appian: "With rage and outcries Caesar turned now upon one and now upon another like a wild animal, but, after receiving the wound from Brutus he at last despaired and, veiling himself with his robe, composed himself for death."

Suetonius: "he was stabbed with three and twenty wounds, uttering not a word, but merely a groan at the first stroke, though some have written that when Marcus Brutus rushed at him, he said in Greek, "You too, my child?"

Plutarch: "And it is said by some writers that although Caesar defended himself against the rest and darted this way and that and cried aloud, when he saw that Brutus had drawn his dagger, he pulled his toga down over his head and sank"
 
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mariusj

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Et Tu, Brute? Marcus Brutus or Decimus Brutus?

Richard A. Billows in his book Julius Caesar: Colossus of Rome, proposes the theory that Caesar was closer to Decimus Brutus than Marcus Brutus. Further that Caesar gave up and stopped resisting when stabbed by Decimus rather than Marcus. The common belief is that it was Marcus Brutus largely based upon Caesar's relationship with his mother Servilla. However, Decimus was also very close to Caesar even appearing in his will. Caesar also drank with Decimus the night before and was escorted by him to the assassination. What do you think? Marcus or Decimus?

Appian: "He (Caesar) exhibited the same affection and preference for this man(Marcus Brutus) in all things. It was even thought that Brutus was his son, as Caesar was the lover of his mother, Servilia about the time of his birth"

Appian: "Among the conspirators also was Decimus Brutus Albinus, one of Caesar's dearest friends."

Suetonius: "But beyond all others Caesar loved Servilia, the mother of Marcus Brutus, for whom in his first consulship he bought a pearl costing six million sesterces."

Suetonius: "He named several of his assassins among the guardians of his son, in case one should be born to him, and Decimus Brutus even among his heirs in the second degree."
Decimus was keeping Antony outside, so probably Marcus.
 
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Sep 2019
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Decimus was keeping Antony outside, so probably Marcus.
Appian has Trebonius distracting Antony: "The conspirators had left Trebonius, one of their number, to engage Antony in conversation at the door. The others, with concealed daggers, stood around Caesar like friends as he sat in his chair."

This may make more sense then Decimus as Trebonius and Antony had previous dealings. According to Cicero, Trebonius had even approached Antony about a plot against Caesar a few years earlier.
 

mariusj

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Appian has Trebonius distracting Antony: "The conspirators had left Trebonius, one of their number, to engage Antony in conversation at the door. The others, with concealed daggers, stood around Caesar like friends as he sat in his chair."

This may make more sense then Decimus as Trebonius and Antony had previous dealings. According to Cicero, Trebonius had even approached Antony about a plot against Caesar a few years earlier.
I heard that Gelzer and Badian believed Antony exposed this plot, and it would make this unlikely. It depends on whose interpretation you believe I suppose, was Antony always a loyal and good friend? Or was he only a loyal friend on some occasion.

Judging from the overall life of Antony I personally believe while he was a trainwreck in his private life, he was always good and generous to his friends, and I have no reason to believe Antony betrayed Caesar.
 
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I heard that Gelzer and Badian believed Antony exposed this plot, and it would make this unlikely. It depends on whose interpretation you believe I suppose, was Antony always a loyal and good friend? Or was he only a loyal friend on some occasion.

Judging from the overall life of Antony I personally believe while he was a trainwreck in his private life, he was always good and generous to his friends, and I have no reason to believe Antony betrayed Caesar.
Yeah I agree with you it seems unlikely he would betray Caesar.