Film on Roman Legions in China(coming next year)

Naima

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Jun 2014
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#41
Lol seems the movie after all might be based on a possible real basis...

Just read about that supposed lost legion in the far east and the founding legend of liquian ...

Seems chinese are working hard to demonstrate that thesis

Romano Impero: LA LEGIONE CINESE

Seems that the local people claim to be descendants of ancient romans ancestors and that they deeply believe so due to their genetic traits .

Perhaps just a legend built up recently and the movie will surely help to spread that more around.
 
Oct 2013
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#42
Can you make me a list of good historically accurate movies. Of han china?
Not teasing , I really would like to see.... I haven't seen any ... Most of the movies I saw from china where usually unhistorical medieval like fantasy operas with millions of men , fake armors and unrealistic happenings.
I refer to movies like hero , that sure was entertaining but I found it quite propagandistic .
I have yet to see a movie portray proper han armors
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/80/7b/cf/807bcff3a79312b3aceb9cf0778b4db1.jpg
Rather than fantasysupercuirasses associatd with a typical search for the "wow factor ".

And btw do you define the armors you show in that pic historically accurate?

I not demand a 100 perfectreproduction , but at least some bits wpuldbe nice.

Apartthat I am sure the movie will. Be cool and entertaining , but I dont expect it to be any closer to historical mor than the Lord of the Rings.
Maybe you can name these many fantasy movies you saw.

I'd have to say the word "propaganda" is as misused and overused as the word "epic." Coming to the thought of it, most Western movies or series I saw could also fit the "propaganda" category you describe, but they aren't propaganda. Adding fantasy elements into entertainment that is meant to be history-based is just for entertainment value and "wow-factor," not meant to show off the Han as a master race. Ask yourself, when the costume design made cool looking armour in Curse of the Golden Flower, were they under an agenda to promote Han superiority or were they doing their job in a mostly fantasy movie set in historical time? You watched some Chinese fantasy series or movies, don't judge an entire cinema and think it aims to propagate some sort of agenda.

Off the top of my head I have 4

-Han Wu Da Di
-Sanguo Yanyi '94 (adaptation of a historical fiction)
-Kangxi Wangchao
-Red Cliff 1 and 2 (yes it has scenes of one guy beating dozens, we've seen that in Braveheart too)

Out of these only one has kung fu scenes but that is for the purpose of entertainment

The Romans in the background look like wearing Lorica Segmentata.
In the movie this is what it looks like [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZPV-4RfnL4"]Jackie Chan 成龙 Dragon Blade 天将雄师 2015 First shots Vol.2 - YouTube[/ame]

Lol seems the movie after all might be based on a possible real basis...

Just read about that supposed lost legion in the far east and the founding legend of liquian ...

Seems chinese are working hard to demonstrate that thesis

Romano Impero: LA LEGIONE CINESE

Seems that the local people claim to be descendants of ancient romans ancestors and that they deeply believe so due to their genetic traits .

Perhaps just a legend built up recently and the movie will surely help to spread that more around.
You should know that hypotheses like these, including China discovering America, is a Western (and in the case of China discovering America - Italian) product of Sinophilia, not Chinese.

Again, you seem to be ranting. Do you always complain about entertainment if they aren't historically accurate? How many threads have you made about Asterix walking over Roman legions effortlessly?

What do you make of the Eagle? What do you make of this?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8KeIWyIhNg"]Spartacus VS Marcus Crassus - YouTube[/ame]

That to me is even more exaggerating and hilarious than comparable Chinese movies with historical elements. You have people in barely any armour jumping into the middle of legions and smashing them to pieces.

What do you make of this? Everyone's an ironclad, no auxiliary, just walking tanks.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-e1MQnh3V0"]Ryse: Son of Rome All Cutscenes (Game Movie) 1080p HD - YouTube[/ame]

You should be smart enough to tell what is meant to be fantasy and what isn't.
 
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Mangekyou

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Jan 2010
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#44

Salah

Forum Staff
Oct 2009
23,284
Maryland
#46
Historical accuracy doesn't bother me. Watch the History Channel or some threads on this forum and you'll find "historians" who don't have a clue.

A movie about ancient China and Roman soldiers will draw the public's attention to both. I'd rather people imagine legionaries wearing the wrong kind of armor, than not being aware that they existed at all.
 

Naima

Ad Honorem
Jun 2014
2,321
Venice
#47
Maybe you can name these many fantasy movies you saw.

I'd have to say the word "propaganda" is as misused and overused as the word "epic." Coming to the thought of it, most Western movies or series I saw could also fit the "propaganda" category you describe, but they aren't propaganda. Adding fantasy elements into entertainment that is meant to be history-based is just for entertainment value and "wow-factor," not meant to show off the Han as a master race. Ask yourself, when the costume design made cool looking armour in Curse of the Golden Flower, were they under an agenda to promote Han superiority or were they doing their job in a mostly fantasy movie set in historical time? You watched some Chinese fantasy series or movies, don't judge an entire cinema and think it aims to propagate some sort of agenda.

Off the top of my head I have 4

-Han Wu Da Di
-Sanguo Yanyi '94 (adaptation of a historical fiction)
-Kangxi Wangchao
-Red Cliff 1 and 2 (yes it has scenes of one guy beating dozens, we've seen that in Braveheart too)

Out of these only one has kung fu scenes but that is for the purpose of entertainment



In the movie this is what it looks like Jackie Chan �龙 Dragon Blade 天将雄师 2015 First shots Vol.2 - YouTube



You should know that hypotheses like these, including China discovering America, is a Western (and in the case of China discovering America - Italian) product of Sinophilia, not Chinese.

Again, you seem to be ranting. Do you always complain about entertainment if they aren't historically accurate? How many threads have you made about Asterix walking over Roman legions effortlessly?

What do you make of the Eagle? What do you make of this?

Spartacus VS Marcus Crassus - YouTube

That to me is even more exaggerating and hilarious than comparable Chinese movies with historical elements. You have people in barely any armour jumping into the middle of legions and smashing them to pieces.

What do you make of this? Everyone's an ironclad, no auxiliary, just walking tanks.

Ryse: Son of Rome All Cutscenes (Game Movie) 1080p HD - YouTube

You should be smart enough to tell what is meant to be fantasy and what isn't.
Most of the list. You did I can't see in my language neither I can find in english unless u have some links , I cant judge them.

The ones I saw that "inspired" a kind of hidden propaganda was Hero wich is full of backdoor sentences on how the people should bend to the state and do whats right for the party ( emperor) .
Qnyway I saw some other movies set in china from red cliff to something about flying knives , or the medallion etc.... Well I yet have to see a decent movie with some minimum of historical belieavebility .
All chinese settled stuff seem that need to have that kungfu stuff and fantasy armors seasoned with unbelieavble masses of people doing something .
Not saying that they are not entertaining on a side , but surely do a pretty poor job ad showing history .
Many movies on Roman empire too are flawed and questionable , but at least some of them portray correct armors and reconstructions like gadiator .
At least the segmentata is quite an iconic armor u cant question about .
For Han movies
I would like to see instead of the fancy stuff and fantasy tolkienish armors , some real Han armors , weapons , tactics and chariots ... Not see the Ming portion of the wall but the real mud and bricks hand wall and so on.


Not everything must be 100% accurate but at least some bits would be nice.

On the other hand to me seems that most of those ancient period chinese movies just take some historical events as a setting to make medieval setting fantasy movies around with little to no interest for actual events or proper reconstructions.


Btw on ur spartacus stuff references....

We are perhaps talking of two different things , I am not against romanticized and fantasy inspired movies from history like for example 300 or even this Hero movie .... But what I rant eventually is about the "labeling" of them as historically correct .
If they are considered freely inspired from real events with fantasy elements then I have nothing to complain ... Btw Spartacus only the first two seasons where cool. , the others where crap.

The other is a videogame ...
 
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Naima

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Jun 2014
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Venice
#50
Youlovemeyouknowit , I just saw the link you posted to the pics of that Legion movie and I couln't see even one segmentata .... Do chinese even care to make a minimum. Of historical research or they just allow their costume makers go frenzy and come out with whatever fancy stuff they like?
 

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