from 1984 (the book)

Port

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Feb 2013
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portland maine
In the book 1984 page 30 Orwell wrote, “Who control the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past. Any evidence of truth to this?
 

larkin

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Sep 2009
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Quote from me:
First published in 1948, this book was presented in the US as a simple incitement of communism, dictatorship and Stalinist Russia.

Why is it still around?

It really is about state tyranny against the individual and it's concepts are broader and more profound. If you strip away the cacophony, color and chaos from our modern society it will expose the same relentless consolidation of power outlined in Orwell's 1984.


Quote from Orwell:“The Ministry of Peace concerns itself with war, the Ministry of Truth with lies, the Ministry of Love with torture and the Ministry of Plenty with starvation. These contradictions are not accidental , nor do they result from from ordinary hypocrisy: they are deliberate exercises in doublethink”

Quote from Orwell:“Don't you see the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the language of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible because there will be no words in which to express it”
 
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There is definitely some truth to it. Controlling the official version of events and coopting national history is a potent tool for the State to remain in power.

"Imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."
 

Ancientgeezer

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Nov 2011
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The Dustbin, formerly, Garden of England
Orwell was writing at the end of WW2 when his London, capital of Oceania, would have looked quite like the real London--full of bombed out buildings, grimy, unmaintained, food and just about everything else in short supply. Winston's Smith Oceania also looks suspiciously like Kim's North Korea--so much so that one wonders if the various Kim's haven't taken it as a play-book.
But while Nineteen Eighty-Four appears a bit surreal to modern taste, the book endures because there are a number of fundamental truths there-the State control of information, manipulation of the "masses" with tiny, unimportant rewards that seem generous against a background of scarcity and a pretty much useless existence.
These truths are maintained, but are more credible in Terry Gilliam's Brazil.

Thought for the day. There is a security TV camera for every 32 people in Britain.--120,000 in London alone.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xNnRBksvOU]Brazil (Terry Gilliam, 1985) - Ministry of Information - YouTube[/ame]
 
Apr 2013
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Wisconsin
In the book 1984 page 30 Orwell wrote, “Who control the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past. Any evidence of truth to this?
The revisionist history of the Democratic party comes to mind-one of the most violent,racist organizations that ever existed.
 

larkin

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Sep 2009
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The revisionist history of the Democratic party comes to mind-one of the most violent,racist organizations that ever existed.
..Oh and the Republican party is any different?
You may have them both for all I care..
 

sculptingman

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Oct 2009
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San Diego
Orwell was right on a small scale, and wrong on a wider timeline.

Britian once controlled the present and the past... but that did not stop them from losing their position as world superpower.

And when you control the past... you have the dangerous incentive to re-write it to suit your agenda... but that does not make you any better able to predict the future when it based in a history that never actually happened.

If you are basing your intention to shape the future on a past that you created as a fiction, you are likely only hastening your own decline because a false understanding of the past only makes you blind to the circumstance that put you on top.

US christians would re-write US history to be inspired by the bible... but would their push to establish a theocracy actually result in restoring greatness to the US? of course not.

The Soviet Union controlled the past... and managed to parley that into keeping their bankrupt state rolling along for 70 some years... but lying to their people, and themselves, did not address the real problems facing their state, did it?

Presenting a disinformation as history and propaganda as news can certainly help in the short run... but ultimately, you raise a generation of leaders to whom the stories you made up are something they actually buy into... and the result is leadership so out of touch as to be both pathetic and ineffective at dealing with the realities they can not acknowledge.

Like the GOP today, or the Whig party long ago... massaging the truth about the past or the present is a zero sum game.

Those who fail to comprehend the past are doomed to repeat it. That said, the past is full of empires that crumbled or fell.

The smart State is the one that insists on trying to be as unflinchingly honest about the past as is humanly possible. That's the only way they are going to see and avoid the trouble coming down the pike.