Futurist's short alternate history questions thread

Jan 2013
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From Prussia, no? Austria would have a tough time unifying Germany given its huge non-German population, no?
Without Bismarck, how does Prussia resolve the 1860s constitutional crisis?

Austria could create an alternate version of the Dual Monarchy with a German Emperor and a King of Danubia for the non-German territories.
 

Naomasa298

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Apr 2010
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T'Republic of Yorkshire
BTW, I wonder why France didn't ask for Isan and/or for the Thai Khmer areas after the end of WWII. Was it because it was already busy dealing with an insurgency in French Indochina and thus didn't want to handle too many issues at once?
France had never controlled Isan. They had no basis on which to claim it.

The US wouldn't have supported it, seeing as it was intent on dismembering colonial empires.
 

Naomasa298

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Apr 2010
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T'Republic of Yorkshire
Well, yeah, Thailand couldn't push its luck too much.



Makes sense. Do you think that the new Thai-French Indochinese border in this scenario would have looked just like this--but without the gains in Burma and Malaysia (since those were British rather than French colonies)? :

Doubtful that the French would want to give up that much territory.
 

Futurist

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May 2014
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SoCal
Doubtful that the French would want to give up that much territory.
So, how much smaller of a territorial gain for Thailand are you thinking of here?

France had never controlled Isan. They had no basis on which to claim it.

The US wouldn't have supported it, seeing as it was intent on dismembering colonial empires.
France could claim Isan and the Thai Khmer areas on ethnic grounds. The Isan people are sufficiently similar to Laotians to belong in one state together with them--or so the French could say. Ditto for unifying the Thai Khmers with the Indochinese Khmers. For that matter, Britain could likewise say a similar thing about unifying the Thai Malays with the Malays in Malaysia.
 

Futurist

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May 2014
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AFAIK, France actually did justify the territorial gains that French Indochina made in the southwest at Thailand's expense in 1904 and 1907 as simply being an effort to put as many Khmers as possible under French rule--in other words, to create a more unified and whole Cambodia within French Indochina.
 

Naomasa298

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Apr 2010
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T'Republic of Yorkshire
France could claim Isan and the Thai Khmer areas on ethnic grounds. The Isan people are sufficiently similar to Laotians to belong in one state together with them--or so the French could say. Ditto for unifying the Thai Khmers with the Indochinese Khmers. For that matter, Britain could likewise say a similar thing about unifying the Thai Malays with the Malays in Malaysia.
As I said, the US wouldn't have supported it, and they were the ones who mattered. In any case, France didn't hold on to Indochina for much longer.

Had Thailand held its gains and not joined the UN, it's doubtful France would or could have made the same objections after 1956.