FYROM and Ancient Macedonia

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1. you make out that greeks are a big mix with no relation to the ancient greeks even though we speak the same language, etc. and than you say that...your are stupid retard arent you?
Gee thanks, your civility is commendable. It's always nice to have a civilized discussion with mature people.

Yes thats right, people from marseilles to babylon are people with ancient greek heritage and yet todays greeks have no relation to the ancient greeks
No particular relation. They are not synonymous. They do have ancient Greek heritage, among other things, but it's hardly unique.

yes, the point being that you are one big mix...nothing else.
Who isn't? Even the ancient Greeks were one big mix.

the british used people to grow in numbers and develope a british conscience so one day you can use those numbers to rule the world
Oh, perfidious Albion.

Cuz it isn't like the Romans - or even Alexander - did exactly the same thing.

i think you are a mixed people and you propably cant handle it so you'd love nothing more than to claim all europeans (especially the ones with history) to be mixed just like you, if not more
Well, I'm a North American, and therefore very mixed. We North Americans are the ultimate ethnic fusion, the new Romans, and English is our new Latin. No matter how mixed any of you Euros might be, our gene pool is much, much larger than yours.

Do you know what Alexander was trying to do - besides reach the ends of the earth? Do you know what his dream was? Do you think he loved ideas such as yours? As Diodorus Siculus put it, what Alexander fought for was to "transplant populations from Asia to Europe and in the opposite direction from Europe to Asia, in order to bring the largest continent to common unity and to friendship by means of intermarriage and family ties." In other words, he fought against ideas like yours.

Well, here in North America, we have achieved Alexander's dream and if you want to see the heirs of his ideas and passions and beliefs, look no further.

As for the British English, they probably are less mixed than most other Europeans, it's just that they celebrate themselves as a mix while Europe butchers itself over who can claim to be the most inbred.
 
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Gee thanks, your civility is commendable. It's always nice to have a civilized discussion with mature people.



No particular relation. They are not synonymous. They do have ancient Greek heritage, among other things, but it's hardly unique.



Who isn't? Even the ancient Greeks were one big mix.



Oh, perfidious Albion.

Cuz it isn't like the Romans - or even Alexander - did exactly the same thing.



Well, I'm a North American, and therefore very mixed. We North Americans are the ultimate ethnic fusion, the new Romans, and English is our new Latin. No matter how mixed any of you Euros might be, our gene pool is much, much larger than yours.

As for the British English, they probably are less mixed than most other Europeans, it's just that they celebrate themselves as a mix while Europe butchers itself over bizarre racial theories.
no, england was created as a mixed nation and other european nations originate from a common race with outside influences

and anything else you want to claim, back it up with a source because whats the point of debating when neither one of us are professionals...you see though, i did back up what i said with many many sources and you didnt use one so well done

so your american eh lol, and you're proud are you?

just want to add, you arent the new romans, your world empire is coming to a crash before it even got started, its just that you dont know it yet
 
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Edgewaters, the game that you are playing is ridiculous.
It is like trying to convince yourself and others for something that you know it's not true.
You'll be in good company right along with Bush, that people laugh behind his back and he goes his good old merry way.

SHAME ON SOME PEOPLE.
 
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no, england was created as a mixed nation and other european nations originate from a common race with outside influences
That's not very surprising, considering England was a state created by an "outside influence" and the original inhabitants were never politically united. Nonetheless ... genetically, England hasn't changed a whole lot since at least 7150 BC:

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheddar_Man"]Cheddar Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Like other European nations, England is a political construct, the population is a different story. Some people just can't seem to comprehend the distinction. Suffice to say that England does have some genetic influences, but it is also an island with a bad climate at the Godforsaken end of what used to be the known world, and that locked it out of many of Europe's most important genetic influences (for instance, the Mongols or the Turks). Racialists such as yourself misunderstand England's historical diversity and its nature as a cultural fusion. It's not about heredity or race. It's linguistic.

so your american eh
No, I'm Canadian, eh?

You'll be in good company right along with Bush
Right, because Bush is the poster-boy for those of us who think racial nationalism belongs in the past. Or is it because I live on the same continent? I forget.

Race is a 19th century fantasy that left intelligent political and scientific discourse decades ago. It's about as valid a concept today as the notion that aliens built the pyramids. The closest things we have are clines and gene clusters, and those are not very amenable to nationalist fantasies. If they were, race nationalists would have adopted them a long time ago, as they are always eager to appear scientifically valid. Unfortunately for them, modern science and their ideas aren't compatible, so they're stuck with science that was current in the 1850s, probably forever.

As sexual animals that were never geographically confined, static races were never really a possibility for us. But maybe someday, genetics will allow racial nationalists to engineer a whole population of fanatical parthenogenetic clones, who have no need for sexual reproduction, just like water fleas. You'll never have to worry about geneaology again. You'll all be female and your evolution will more or less stop cold but what a small price to pay!
 
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Do you know what Alexander was trying to do - besides reach the ends of the earth? Do you know what his dream was? Do you think he loved ideas such as yours? As Diodorus Siculus put it, what Alexander fought for was to "transplant populations from Asia to Europe and in the opposite direction from Europe to Asia, in order to bring the largest continent to common unity and to friendship by means of intermarriage and family ties." In other words, he fought against ideas like yours.
WOAHHH hold on, ideas like mine?

i have nothing against mixing but i do have a problem with mixed nations claiming that people who come from a "common race" are more mixed than them, the idea of me being mixed more than you doesnt offend me as much as the idea that an american/englishmen claiming that we are one big mix, not even close, you get it?

great great strategy there

thats the problem with you dumb americans, you are soooo decieving!!!
 
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no, england was created as a mixed nation and other european nations originate from a common race with outside influences

and anything else you want to claim, back it up with a source because whats the point of debating when neither one of us are professionals...you see though, i did back up what i said with many many sources and you didnt use one so well done

so your american eh lol, and you're proud are you?

just want to add, you arent the new romans, your world empire is coming to a crash before it even got started, its just that you dont know it yet
English people tend to cluster with the dutch, they are not that mixed, please see the autosomal maps I have attached.
 

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That's not very surprising, considering England was a state created by an "outside influence" and the original inhabitants were never politically united. Nonetheless ... genetically, England hasn't changed a whole lot since at least 7150 BC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheddar_Man



No, I'm Canadian, eh?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

england hasnt changed a hole lot since................7150BC

so i guess the anglo saxons where their since day one

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

i cant believe i just wasted my time on a piece of fanatical/nationalistic trash like you

and yet greeks are unrelated to greeks from 2000 years ago
 
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English people tend to cluster with the dutch, they are not that mixed, please see the autosomal maps I have attached.
english people are a mix of northern europeans with other influences of course just like all european nations

anyway, where is that from?

have you seen the show 'are you 100% english'?

gypsy, african, middle eastern, chinese, mongol etc. dna was found in many english people

watch [ame]http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=SlTks9toOmQ[/ame]
 
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and sorry to say but the english invited foreigners from all corners of the earth to create a giant empire and go on to rule the world

that was the idea, thats why so many people in the world claim descent from britain and ireland
 
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english people are a mix of northern europeans with other influences of course just like all european nations

anyway, where is that from?

have you seen the show 'are you 100% english'?

gypsy, african, middle eastern, chinese, mongol etc. dna was found in many english people

watch http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=SlTks9toOmQ
I tend to base my knowledge on wide autosomal studies of 3000+ individuals not a random testing of four people.
 
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