FYROM and Ancient Macedonia

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Right, because Bush is the poster-boy for those of us who think racial nationalism belongs in the past. Or is it because I live on the same continent? I forget.

Race is a 19th century fantasy that left intelligent political and scientific discourse decades ago. It's about as valid a concept today as the notion that aliens built the pyramids. The closest things we have are clines and gene clusters, and those are not very amenable to nationalist fantasies. If they were, race nationalists would have adopted them a long time ago, as they are always eager to appear scientifically valid. Unfortunately for them, modern science and their ideas aren't compatible, so they're stuck with science that was current in the 1850s, probably forever.
keep sharing your own personal oppinions with us which are totally made up off the top of your clueless head, start backing up what you are saying just like i have

why arent you doing that?

and as an american im surprised you dont believe that aliens DID infact build the pyramids, americans dont consider that egyptians might be offended by those stupid claims...you have shown the selfish and ignorant side of the "typical" american throughout this discussion so im surprised you dont also claim that
 

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#85
That's not very surprising, considering England was a state created by an "outside influence" and the original inhabitants were never politically united. Nonetheless ... genetically, England hasn't changed a whole lot since at least 7150 BC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheddar_Man

Like other European nations, England is a political construct, the population is a different story. Some people just can't seem to comprehend the distinction. Suffice to say that England does have some genetic influences, but it is also an island with a bad climate at the Godforsaken end of what used to be the known world, and that locked it out of many of Europe's most important genetic influences (for instance, the Mongols or the Turks). Racialists such as yourself misunderstand England's historical diversity and its nature as a cultural fusion. It's not about heredity or race. It's linguistic.

Race is a 19th century fantasy that left intelligent political and scientific discourse decades ago. It's about as valid a concept today as the notion that aliens built the pyramids. The closest things we have are clines and gene clusters, and those are not very amenable to nationalist fantasies. If they were, race nationalists would have adopted them a long time ago, as they are always eager to appear scientifically valid. Unfortunately for them, modern science and their ideas aren't compatible, so they're stuck with science that was current in the 1850s, probably forever.

As sexual animals that were never geographically confined, static races were never really a possibility for us. But maybe someday, genetics will allow racial nationalists to engineer a whole population of fanatical parthenogenetic clones, who have no need for sexual reproduction, just like water fleas. You'll never have to worry about geneaology again. You'll all be female and your evolution will more or less stop cold but what a small price to pay!

Good post Edgewaters ! (Well, most of it :D )
 
Jul 2007
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#86
i have nothing against mixing but i do have a problem with mixed nations claiming that people who come from a "common race" are more mixed than them, the idea of me being mixed more than you doesnt offend me as much as the idea that an american/englishmen claiming that we are one big mix, not even close, you get it?
Your "common race" is a fantasy that never existed. When was this "common race"?

keep sharing your own personal oppinions with us which are totally made up off the top of your clueless head, start backing up what you are saying just like i have

why arent you doing that?
Well, maybe it's just me, but I've always believed strongly in two things: that you should think things through for yourself and use logic to construct your own worldview; and that you should never rely too strongly on appeals to authority or experts. The logical answer is the logical answer and you don't need to quote a mathematician to prove that 6*2+15-76=-49: all you need to do is just show how you got there.
 
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#87
yea so where is that study from?

because personally i'd tend to believe a television show CREATED BY THE ENGLISH using the best geneticists around instead of some independent website that probably doesnt use proper science but "selective" science or psuedo science
 
#88
WHATTTTTTTTT?

that cant be right, we greeks are turks, slavs, albanians, ethiopians, lebanese, anything but greeko/roman

I got it from this site: http://dienekes.50webs.com/arp/articles/greekadna/
It has a big list of autosomal studies carried out over the last ten years.

There was one recently in 2008 that showed genes mirrored geography in europe: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/fig_tab/nature07331_F1.html
That was a study of 1,387 Europeans and seemed to point to italian and albanian for greeks.
 
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yea so where is that study from?

because personally i'd tend to believe a television show CREATED BY THE ENGLISH using the best geneticists around instead of some independent website that probably doesnt use proper science but "selective" science or psuedo science
nah not us English, I think the recent one was carried out by the University of California!

Edit:

They list who conducted it here:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nature07331.html
I'm not claiming its gospel, you have take all science with a pinch of salt!
 
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