Game of Thrones (SPOILERS)

Menshevik

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And said horn that has the power to bring down the wall has yet to actually make an appearance... maybe its a myth. Same for the horn that can supposedly control dragons, the dragon horn exists, but it remains to be seen what effect it will have on dragons.
 

Fiver

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She did, she also listened to him when he advised against directly going to KL. Had Dany done that, she would have won the war in a single stroke.
If Danaerys hadgone directly to King's landing, she would have captured King's Landing, probably after destroying the Red Keep. That might have won the war, but wars are not always won by seizing the enemy capitol. Showing up with just the dragons is great for melting cities and spreading terror, but dragons can't run an empire for you. Even showing up with the Dothraki and Unsullied as well, still means Danaerys would be seen as a foreign conqueror, not the rightful heir to the throne. It would not make for a stable peace. Waiting for the Tyrells and the Dornish forces is slower, but it gives more perceived legitimacy, which makes it more likely that other Great Houses would willingly bend the knee. And the more people that willingly accept your rule, the less you have to worry about assassination.
 
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If Danaerys hadgone directly to King's landing, she would have captured King's Landing, probably after destroying the Red Keep. That might have won the war, but wars are not always won by seizing the enemy capitol. Showing up with just the dragons is great for melting cities and spreading terror, but dragons can't run an empire for you. Even showing up with the Dothraki and Unsullied as well, still means Danaerys would be seen as a foreign conqueror, not the rightful heir to the throne. It would not make for a stable peace. Waiting for the Tyrells and the Dornish forces is slower, but it gives more perceived legitimacy, which makes it more likely that other Great Houses would willingly bend the knee. And the more people that willingly accept your rule, the less you have to worry about assassination.
Aegon the Conqueror didn't care if he was seen as a foreign conqueror. He came with his dragons and demanded you bend the knee. He did make some overtures to make himself seem more legitimate (adopting the Seven, creating a proper House with a banner and words), but Daenerys already had all that.
 

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Next thing, you'll be doubting why they chose a king without any hopes of ever having an offspring, without any loyal army to help hold the kingdom together, who didn't even contribute to winning the war against the Night King or Cercei in the first place, as the logical choice for a new king to fix a broken land, savaged by a brutal civil war.
The Dothraki and the Unsullied supported a Queen with no hope of having a child. It may not work out, but Tyrion has introduced an alternative to civil war when there is no clear succession. And Bran has more support and ability than you give him credit for. for all the talk of the Great houses not intermarrying, Bran is closely related to the rulers of the North, the Vale, and the Riverlands. Plus, Tyrion strongly supports Bran. The leaders of the other kingdoms are new to their jobs, with a lack of experience and possible opposition to their rule by parts of their own realms. Short term, they probably need the support of the crown to solidify their rule. Plus after the War of the Five Kings and the invasions of Danaerys and the Night King, everyone is probably war-weary and will need to rebuild their armies. Bran's not directly participating in the War of the Five Kings is in his favor - nobody died serving him or at his orders.

Bran is distant, but not disconnected from the world and he has personal resources - between the Sight and Warging, he has access to information on a level no one else has. And he has used that to manipulate events. Part of why Petyr Baelish was executed is Bran being able to see Littlefinger's past misdeeds. Part of why the Night King dies is Bran using himself as bait, plus giving the Valyrian steel dagger to Arya. Bran helps reveal Jon Snow's true ancestry, which drives wedges between Danaerys and Jon, Tryion, and Varys; which led to death of one Targaryen claimant and the effective exile of another. Plus, Bran is using his abilities to search for Drogon.
 
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But I think GRRM might have that hole covered, he did say that the Targs neutered the Faith a few decades after they took over in a religious war, so it can be explain that they've been under the thumb of various rulers for some time.
I mean, that's not really good or realistic excuse.

In 14th century there was period of Avignon Papacy, for example. A total of seven popes reigned at Avignon. All of them were French and all under the influence of the French Crown. However, it didn't stop future Popes from trying to be independent players and gaining power.

Philip IV of France even had to assemble Estates General for the first time in history, so it would support his position in a struggle against Boniface VIII.
 
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Lol that didn't make sense at all. Remember who he was addressing. Are we all going to ignore the fact that literally everyone in the audience there had better story than Bran?

Jon getting "exiled" to the Night's Watch makes no sense at all. Bran/Sansa claim it was a compromise with Grey Worm. Grey Worm left for Narth with his whole army. At that point, Sansa, who is the queen of the north, can just go "hey, Grey Worm left, Jon you can come back and do whatever...."
At least Arya and Brienne didn't go 'Tee hee hee hee hee hee' when Sam proposed democracy. It was surprising to see Grey Worm and Tyrion not even utter a word when half the leaders of the noble houses insulted the whole population like that. Even Sansa was smiling like a pampered brat. This may very well have been the case in the Middle Ages but totally absurd considering the way these characters had been developed.

As for the watch, what the hell were those two dumbnuts thinking? People in middle ages weren't people? The Free Folk lost the majority of their population fighting the rotten cadavers, saving Winterfell in the process and what does King Limp do? He not only not disbands the Nights Watch as a gesture of gratitude but sends his own big brother to freeze his a** once again.

As I said, high five on da faces of Dumb Wisea** and Dumber Bunny with a jumbo bowl full of horse intestines. These two lunatics understand nothing of human character. Only have a base, lame idea that complexities mean only betrayal, not giving a damn about your benefactors afterwards and supposedly good guys acting like morons out of the blue.

Anybody here has read 'City of thieves' btw?
 
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The Dothraki and the Unsullied supported a Queen with no hope of having a child. It may not work out, but Tyrion has introduced an alternative to civil war when there is no clear succession. And Bran has more support and ability than you give him credit for. for all the talk of the Great houses not intermarrying, Bran is closely related to the rulers of the North, the Vale, and the Riverlands. Plus, Tyrion strongly supports Bran. The leaders of the other kingdoms are new to their jobs, with a lack of experience and possible opposition to their rule by parts of their own realms. Short term, they probably need the support of the crown to solidify their rule. Plus after the War of the Five Kings and the invasions of Danaerys and the Night King, everyone is probably war-weary and will need to rebuild their armies. Bran's not directly participating in the War of the Five Kings is in his favor - nobody died serving him or at his orders.

Bran is distant, but not disconnected from the world and he has personal resources - between the Sight and Warging, he has access to information on a level no one else has. And he has used that to manipulate events. Part of why Petyr Baelish was executed is Bran being able to see Littlefinger's past misdeeds. Part of why the Night King dies is Bran using himself as bait, plus giving the Valyrian steel dagger to Arya. Bran helps reveal Jon Snow's true ancestry, which drives wedges between Danaerys and Jon, Tryion, and Varys; which led to death of one Targaryen claimant and the effective exile of another. Plus, Bran is using his abilities to search for Drogon.
None of these traits is essential for a ruler at all. With his powers, Bran is supposed to be a sage. How long before he starts thinking of himself as a God and become the embodiment or Fascism or how long before someone dispatches him solely for what he is? A good king with the power of omnipresence and omniscience is an enormous plot hole and a sign of gigantic level of incompetence of writers. I mean GRRM would have made sufficient plot twists and many ifs and buts and other things to make such an ending acceptable to the readers but this crapshow wouldn't sell for a dime in a nuthouse.

Another thing, great powers can be imagined very easily but very few writers can actually unleash the full potential of such powers through writing. Filmmakers have repeatedly proven themselves as incompetent as stumps at this. Intelligent and successful filmmakers and writers often strip their characters of their powers just to bring out their characters and give the stories some length. For game developers its an unsolvable nightmare and that's why there is not one proper Superman game out there. If Bran sees all and knows all then it makes him a God and if a God is a king then what story can you write? He'll know every plot before one is hatched, he'll know every plan, every conspiracy whenever one is conceived. He doesn't even need a master of whisperers. It'll make storywriting extremely difficult. The next chap HBO picks up will either kill him at the beginning or turn him into a villain to make things easy. For his sake, I sincerely hope that eventually he keeps is warging limited to lengendary historical brothels of Yunkai and Mereen and that his right hand remains in working condition, at least he'll survive.