Gender Neutral Greetings

tomar

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Jan 2011
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After a canadian airline, it is now easy jet that is moving to "gender neutrality" in order to be "more inclusive" (sounds better than "pandering to a vocal minority")

So now instead of being a lady or a gentlemen, passengers become "everyone"..... Many may not care, but the issue is what happens when one set of activists object to being called "lady or gentleman" and another objects to being called "everyone" ?

Businesses are starting to be caught in the middle of such political debates... For example "Sleeping Giants" are groups of activists that demand companies remove advertising from news media that "SG" disapproves of, and a predictable reaction is that other groups demand a boycott of companies that take such measure.... So businesses are damned if they do and damned if they do not....

Should not businesses (and sports one might add, but sport has turned into big business anyway) be completely apolitical and stay away from such controversies ?
 
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GogLais

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Sep 2013
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After a canadian airline, it is now easy jet that is moving to "gender neutrality" in order to be "more inclusive" (sounds better than "pandering to a vocal minority")

So now instead of being a lady or a gentlemen, passengers become "everyone"..... Many may not care, but the issue is what happens when one set of activists object to being called "lady or gentleman" and another objects to being called "everyone" ?

Businesses are starting to be caught in the middle of such political debates... For example "Sleeping Giants" are groups of activists that demand companies remove advertising from news media that "SG" disapproves of, and a predictable reaction is that other groups demand a boycott of companies that take such measure.... So businesses are damned if they do and damned if they do not....

Should not businesses (and sports one might add, but sport has turned into big business anyway) be completely apolitical and stay away from such controversies ?
I’m sure the organisations you refer to would like to stay away from the controversies but the controversies come to them. It’s always interesting watching two interests collide though, the row between feminists and transgenderists currently is quite fun as an onlooker.
 

tomar

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Jan 2011
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I’m sure the organisations you refer to would like to stay away from the controversies but the controversies come to them. It’s always interesting watching two interests collide though, the row between feminists and transgenderists currently is quite fun as an onlooker.
Well, the question is how do these controversies come to them... I mean a few angry posts by activists can be ignored or can be acted upon.... Who (and how) takes the decision to ignore them or act upon them ?
 

GogLais

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Sep 2013
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I’m not fully woke (although I’m working on it 😊) but apparently instead of he or she one should use they. Calling somebody it isn’t really on.
 

Chlodio

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Aug 2016
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Well, the question is how do these controversies come to them... I mean a few angry posts by activists can be ignored or can be acted upon.... Who (and how) takes the decision to ignore them or act upon them ?
Businesses usually only care about their bottom lines. If customers become so angry at a business that they stop buying that business' products or services, that is usually the point where businesses change their behavior. Some companies are more proactive than others and implement reforms sooner, trying to head off problems later, but ultimately the motivation to conform with society's changing expectations comes down to money and customer relations.

One example over the past few decades was "merry Christmas" vs "happy holidays." Many businesses initially went with "happy holidays" because they felt it was more inclusive. The last few years they've gone back to "merry Christmas" because "happy holidays" ended up offending more traditionalists than it gained in new customers.
 
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Memphis TN
After a canadian airline, it is now easy jet that is moving to "gender neutrality" in order to be "more inclusive" (sounds better than "pandering to a vocal minority")

So now instead of being a lady or a gentlemen, passengers become "everyone"..... Many may not care, but the issue is what happens when one set of activists object to being called "lady or gentleman" and another objects to being called "everyone" ?

Businesses are starting to be caught in the middle of such political debates... For example "Sleeping Giants" are groups of activists that demand companies remove advertising from news media that "SG" disapproves of, and a predictable reaction is that other groups demand a boycott of companies that take such measure.... So businesses are damned if they do and damned if they do not....

Should not businesses (and sports one might add, but sport has turned into big business anyway) be completely apolitical and stay away from such controversies ?
nothing is Apolitical... absolutely nothing. Things we view as apolitical are just things that everyone agrees on..

If you make a movie where a kid buys a piece of candy , that is being political.. you are supporting capitalism.

All media is political...

Now that doesn’t mean whatever boycott is correct, but everything is political..



Imho the reason for the corporate over reactions is easy.. the internet has destroyed the old way the monetized media..

People used to buy cable TV , and the corporations bought commercial time , which paid for the shows and such..

Now they have no idea how to monetize their add revenue and that has the whole industry scared of their shadow..

ANY controversy causes them to run screaming into the night... and not just left wing controversies..

Say something about Israel or Christianity and the same thing happens..

The only thing that is new is the way people blame everything on the Illuminati,lol..


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Memphis TN
Businesses usually only care about their bottom lines. If customers become so angry at a business that they stop buying that business' products or services, that is usually the point where businesses change their behavior. Some companies are more proactive than others and implement reforms sooner, trying to head off problems later, but ultimately the motivation to conform with society's changing expectations comes down to money and customer relations.

One example over the past few decades was "merry Christmas" vs "happy holidays." Many businesses initially went with "happy holidays" because they felt it was more inclusive. The last few years they've gone back to "merry Christmas" because "happy holidays" ended up offending more traditionalists than it gained in new customers.

For sure, but I actually think it has the most to do with ad monetization.

The internet has blown up the old commercial model, which was what funded everything. That has led to an increased sensitivity, imho
Causing them to run from any controversy BEFIRE they know if it is a controversy in the first place..

I think In almost every case the people the maddest, didn’t use that service anyway..for example i bet roseanne’s ratings don’t drop if they keep her...






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Naomasa298

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Apr 2010
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After a canadian airline, it is now easy jet that is moving to "gender neutrality" in order to be "more inclusive" (sounds better than "pandering to a vocal minority")

So now instead of being a lady or a gentlemen, passengers become "everyone"..... Many may not care, but the issue is what happens when one set of activists object to being called "lady or gentleman" and another objects to being called "everyone" ?

Businesses are starting to be caught in the middle of such political debates... For example "Sleeping Giants" are groups of activists that demand companies remove advertising from news media that "SG" disapproves of, and a predictable reaction is that other groups demand a boycott of companies that take such measure.... So businesses are damned if they do and damned if they do not....

Should not businesses (and sports one might add, but sport has turned into big business anyway) be completely apolitical and stay away from such controversies ?
Most people who fly EasyJet are neither ladies nor gentlemen.
 

JoanOfArc007

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Dec 2015
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USA
After a canadian airline, it is now easy jet that is moving to "gender neutrality" in order to be "more inclusive" (sounds better than "pandering to a vocal minority")

So now instead of being a lady or a gentlemen, passengers become "everyone"..... Many may not care, but the issue is what happens when one set of activists object to being called "lady or gentleman" and another objects to being called "everyone" ?

Businesses are starting to be caught in the middle of such political debates... For example "Sleeping Giants" are groups of activists that demand companies remove advertising from news media that "SG" disapproves of, and a predictable reaction is that other groups demand a boycott of companies that take such measure.... So businesses are damned if they do and damned if they do not....

Should not businesses (and sports one might add, but sport has turned into big business anyway) be completely apolitical and stay away from such controversies ?
Its only a big deal if one makes it out to be. Part of the problem in these discussions is some in our world overtly obsess with things such as gender neutral, lgbt rights or similar. Bigger then this issue is the loss of middle class jobs. So when some(not all) conservative people complain about creeping lgbt rights under the guise of claiming that lgbt people are getting more rights then non lgbt people...it creates division. I totally disagree with your approach, business in the USA are not damned if they do damned if they dont when it comes to gender neutrality. Its not a political matter to be accepting of lgbt, its a God given human right. The real truth is that in much of the world lgbt people do not have equal rights.. But there are areas where lgbt do have equal rights such as Europe, Canada , Much of South America and the USA. Christianity has greatly influenced the so called west to be places of tolerance and greatness.

Therefore logically speaking we should be influencing the entire middle east, all of Africa save South Africa, and much of Asia to get on board with equality among man. Especially because its Christmas time.