Germany Invades Spain

Frank81

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Feb 2010
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I don't think the former Spanish colonies have a great love for Spain in the way the Australians, Canadians and Kiwis love Britain:D

Not certainlly, Spain is viewed as failure, so the usual attitude is despise or joke, followed by hate and only last a light hearted love.

However, some Latinoamerican countries collaborated closely with Spain during those years. Mexico with the Spanish Republic, more because of political closeness. Argentine with Francoist Spain after the civil war, because of economic and to some degree political interests.
 

pugsville

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Oct 2010
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Gibraltar closing the med - British convoys already went around Africa, except for some Malta convoys and a couple of others, the effect on British shipping would be next to nothing.

North Africa - could not effectively supply the historical forces, adding significant forces is extremely difficult. any additional axis forces could be quickly matched bu other allied forces which were easily supplied.

Conquest of the middle east - gets the axis nothing but a moral victory. there are no resources. all the oil is over on the Persian gulf, which is even harder for the axis to support large forces even with Egypt. and getting the oil back to Germany extremely difficult.

Spain a semi successful invasion wold see the collapse of the Franco regime and a restart of the civil war, expect large scale allied intervention forces, logistically it's not that easy, the few railroads over from France are not flash the Germans would be facing an irregular war like Yugoslavia where it was much easier for the allies to send arms, aircraft and intervene generally.
 
Apr 2011
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Gibraltar closing the med - British convoys already went around Africa, except for some Malta convoys and a couple of others, the effect on British shipping would be next to nothing.
Are you saying that if the British wanted to send to Egipt for example an infantry division, it was sailing all around Africa and finally trough the Red Sea?
 

pugsville

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Oct 2010
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yep, that was their normal practice , couple of notable exception, rush delivery of tanks, but generally they went the long way.
 

Tairusiano

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I think the best course of action for germany would to achieve an alliance with Franco and march on gibraltar.
A invansion over spain is more complicated
the veteran soldiers of Franco, would stay with arms crossed looking at their leader to be toppled.
That goes for the Spanish Communists, they would not use this opportunity to fight again
A unknow fact spanish exiles fought in the french resistance Agrupación de Guerrilleros Españoles AGE fought against the germans in France
if these men and women fought for France they would fight for their own country.
 

Nemowork

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Jan 2011
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So far I know Spanish army was poorly equipped and not strong. The country was also still curing its wounds after bloody civil war. People were divided, many did hate their goverment.

Of course it would be better for Hitler to force Spain to ally with him.
Yes but the people who hated Franco were largely socialist or communist sympathizers, not natural allies for the Nazis.

He'd be destroying his only natural allies and forcing them into the enemy camp while giving himself thousands of miles of territory to manage as well as removing one of his most secure suppliers of resources since Germany had interests in a good bit of Spanish mining.

All this to remove one British naval base?

The French already controlled much of the south access to the med as well as Rommel having the Libyan coast and the Italian navy and airforce having huge influence over the sea, so much that British shipping had to go down around africa and up through the Suez canal to avoid losses.

Why would the supposed benefits of taking Gibraltar be worth the losses in trade, diplomacy and secure allies be worth that?
 
Apr 2011
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For sure it would be better to force Franco into military alliance or kill him and replace with someone who would join military alliance with Germany and Italy, than invade Spain.
 
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Dec 2011
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A unknow fact spanish exiles fought in the french resistance Agrupación de Guerrilleros Españoles AGE fought against the germans in France
if these men and women fought for France they would fight for their own country.
It is now a known fact to me! Thank you for this very interesting bit of information.
 

pugsville

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Oct 2010
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After the Spanish Civil war there were large camps of spanish refugees across the Pryness in france. There was a large number of spanish republics who joined the resistance from there. The Free french Armoured Division that liberated paris, included a battalion of Spanish.
 

Davidius

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Dec 2010
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I think the best course of action for germany would to achieve an alliance with Franco and march on gibraltar.
Hitler suggested this after the fall of France but Franco wouldn't agree to it as he didn't feel politically secure and was afraid it would trigger another civil war.
Hitler later tried to get permission to move forces across Spain to attack Gibraltar but Franco still wasn't having it as it would jeopardise international trade, upon which Spain was largely dependant at the time (lots of it's grain and oil came from the USA).

Source: The second world war. Anthony Beevor