Ghana and Mali Empires and Their Scholars

May 2016
974
Nabataea
#31
Wrong. Manuscripts from Sankore and Timbuktu in its entirerty covered every aspect of humam endeavor, not just Islamic subjects.

https://memory.loc.gov/intldl/malihtml/malibibSubjects1.html
you forgot that i read Arabic ?? this script speak about , army , victorious, i couldn't read all of it

https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampa...=S?intldl/malibib:@field(SUBJ+@od1(Arithmetic))


and Astrology in the first item they show full script when i opened it the writing disappeared

https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?malibib:1:./temp/~intldl_JOoV::


the second item in astrology is exactly like the first link in my post they literally Copied and pasted it


https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?malibib:2:./temp/~intldl_X6uS::


now astronomy


they literally copied and pasted the first picture in astrology Which it disappear when i opened it


https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?malibib:1:./temp/~intldl_21UE::



Medicine (Diseases) , also it disappeared when i opened it


https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampa...nk=S?intldl/malibib:@field(SUBJ+@od1(Diseases))


Now to Health the same as medicine they didn't even bother to change the paper

https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampa...Link=S?intldl/malibib:@field(SUBJ+@od1(Health))



Mathematics the script disappeared when i opened it


https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?malibib:1:./temp/~intldl_1aqa::



The second item of Mathematics look exactly like the first link in my post


https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?malibib:2:./temp/~intldl_O8Au::



Science , they didn't even bother , i sound like a broken record but it look exactly like the first link in my post


https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampa...ink=S?intldl/malibib:@field(SUBJ+@od1(Science))



You really Need to distinguish between Madrassa And university , Mali Masjids worked as religious Madrassa .
 
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May 2016
132
London
#32
i asked you first give us names of scientist graduated from Sankore university you said they were studying Greek books so i guess its not hard to find at least on name .


Again its only a mosque ppl go there to study Qur'an , hadiths and other Islamic stuff but university no .
A history of the empires in the western Sudan was also chronicled they are titled the Tarikh al-Sudan (by Mahmud Kati author who also wrote The History for the Truth Seeker) & Tarikh al-Fattash (written by Abdurahman Al-Sadi a pprofessorat the University of Sankore). There are also manuscripts on chemistry, astronomy & medicine.

A doctor from Mali named Aben Ali treated and cured the heir to throne in France, Charles VII, bear in mind that royals only received treatment from the best doctors (Basil Davidson, African Kingdoms p.85)

Surgery was taught at the University of Djenne Ibrahim es Sussi performed eye cataracts surgery (Ivan Van Sertima Blacks in science: Ancient and modern)
 
May 2016
132
London
#34
i absolutely couldn't find a guy named Aben Ali .
You won't find everything on the internet (I'm not trying to be offensive). Look up Anselm d'Isaguier, he was a french noble who married a woman from Mali who brought servants and other professional with her to France on of them being Aben Ali (some books don't mention his name I happened to come across one that did).

Take a look at African Kingdoms by Basil Davidson and Everyday Life in an Early West African Empire by Robin Walker
 
Jun 2013
854
Universe
#35
i asked you first give us names of scientist graduated from Sankore university you said they were studying Greek books so i guess its not hard to find at least on name .


Again its only a mosque ppl go there to study Qur'an , hadiths and other Islamic stuff but university no .

1. You are mistaking me for someone else. Because I never said they were studying Greek books.

2. You won't find much info like that on West Sudanic kingdoms, because info is kinda lacking due to most of the manuscripts not being translated, we only know very general things.

But even so we know there were professions like doctors. We know that there were doctors who did cataract eye surgery.


One would obviously conclude that they went to school for it.
 
May 2016
974
Nabataea
#36
1. You are mistaking me for someone else. Because I never said they were studying Greek books.

2. You won't find much info like that on West Sudanic kingdoms, because info is kinda lacking due to most of the manuscripts not being translated, we only know very general things.

But even so we know there were professions like doctors. We know that there were doctors who did cataract eye surgery.


One would obviously conclude that they went to school for it.


One would obviously conclude its only religious Madrassa


the photo don't proof anything , actually the photo agree about what i said
they studied Qur'anic stuff and zamzam is holy water, there is hadiths , the prophet saying that zamzam water is cure to every disease which is not TRUE in matter of fact allot of studies say its unhealthy to drink zamzam so obviously it wasn't university if they blindly believing in Qur'an and how the sun go to sleep at night .

so for the million times its religious teaching not even tiny miny close to consider it university
 

Tulun

Ad Honorem
Nov 2010
3,637
Western Eurasia
#37
being religious madrasah =school doesn't matter, the medieval european universities were also religious schools, what is the question what level of madrasah it was in Timbuktu. Since a madrasah can also mean just a "(high) school" or indeed a uni. level depending on the depth and quality of islamic learning. sarf, nahw, mantiq, belaghat, hesab, handasah, ilm ul heyet, kalam, fiqh, aqaid, etc covering the same things like the subjects in medieval european universities just in islamic and not in christian context ofc. i don't know much about Mali. what info is presented here seems to be way too general, i don't know if just nobody is specialized on it in this topic , or really there is poor advanced level academic research on the area, or what.
 
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May 2016
974
Nabataea
#38
being religious madrasah =school doesn't matter, the medieval european universities were also religious schools, what is the question what level of madrasah it was in Timbuktu. Since a madrasah can also mean just a "(high) school" or indeed a uni. level depending on the depth and quality of islamic learning. sarf, nahw, mantiq, belaghat, hesab, handasah, ilm ul heyet, kalam, fiqh, aqaid, etc covering the same things like the subjects in medieval european universities just in islamic and not in christian context ofc. i don't know much about Mali. what info is presented here seems to be way too general, i don't know if it just nobody is specialized on it in this topic , or really there is poor advanced level academic research on the area, or what.


university is called Jam'ah not Madrassa .
saying Mali mosques worked as university/Jam'ah ( Advanced educational system) is only exaggeration .

Maybe a basic school ? Then i think so but only limited to Qur'an and sunnah
 
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Tulun

Ad Honorem
Nov 2010
3,637
Western Eurasia
#39
university is called Jam'ah not Madrassa .
saying Mali mosques worked as university/Jam'ah ( Advanced educational system) is only exaggeration .

Maybe a basic school ? Then i think so but only limited to Qur'an and sunnah
isn't jami'ah a late 19th century neologism for modern western system universities (in fact a mirror translation of the word for university)? madrasah was a generic name for place of study and could be from basic schools to the highest levels of learning (for example the highest level Ottoman schools in the Empire in Istanbul, the Sahn-ı Seman and Süleymaniye medrese, they were all equal in level to the contemporary medieval and early modern european universities of the time. )

if they trained high level faqihs, qadis, mutakallims etc then those can be called universities because this is what european universities also did in the same time, training lawyers and theologicans and again having the same subjects in it, a faqih or a qadi also had to learn grammar, mantiq/logic, maths/hesab, astronomy, rhetoric/belaghat etc

but I also don't know if it was a basic school or advanced in Mali.
 
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