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deaf tuner

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Oct 2013
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I introduced anti-semitism because it usually is the undertone behind PRETENDING that Islamic terrorism and extremist groups are “the creation” from without and or through collaborators with “sinister” outsiders, the evidence for that marvelous theory is their “lack of anti-Israel” behavior. It was not a study on levels, rather to highlight the two intertwined pieces:
1-the underlying deflection of such proposition which has some anti-Semitic reasons to it.
2-pretending these groups behavior of primarily targeting and cleansing the “ heathens/fifth column/accused ex Muslims/real ex Muslim “ before many other groups, the pretending that they are not following the example of the “followed” and “respected” over 13 centuries of targeting these groups first.

Combine 1 with 2 and you get what I am talking about.
Thank You
 

M.S. Islam

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Jul 2012
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Their priorities is to go after the “defectors” first, that is the priority of the muslim sentiments, CLEANSE and PURIFY the ranks first has always been the first priority, AQ and ISIS are very consistent with the rest in that.
Oh really? So all terror attacks against the west including 911 were internal purge? Excellent.
 

M.S. Islam

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Jul 2012
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The organizer and leader of Arab Mujahedeen in Afghanistan, Shaykh Abdullah Azzam wanted to organize the Arab veterans into an organization - Al Qaeda which would liberate Palestine. His student and fundraiser Osama bin Laden had disagreed and wanted AQ to terrorise the west.

Shaykh Azzam was assassinated right on the eve of forming AQ, and OBL took charge.

Suspects in the assassination include competing Islamic militia leaders, such as Osama bin Laden, as well as the CIA and Mossad.[38]
Source: Abdullah Yusuf Azzam - Wikipedia
 

starman

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Jan 2014
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Connecticut
Arabs at war by Kenneth Pollack? How does he analyze the Valley of Tears debacle and Operation Badr?

I'll tell you why I put such emphasis on these two engagements. It is because only on these two occasions the Israeli defenses suffered/came close to being wiped out and both these battles took place under some serious Arab SAM coverage. While Badr was pulled off brilliantly, I can't really say the same about Valley of Tears. I don't know whether it's only me, but I see the ghost of Prokhorovka in Valley of Tears. Syrians lost 500 tanks and APCs just to break through the defenses of 188th Armored Brigade, only to fall back when IDF reserves were committed to battle. I can understand that they were under Soviet influence but the fact that Syria could never absorb the material losses associated with a Soviet style armoured assault to a higher ground was supposed to be common sense right?

I admit that the Egyptians also failed to follow on Operation Badr with further successes but their performance was way better than that of the Syrians.

AFAIK, the entire AA operations were planned and overseen by Russian officers. However I'd like to know what Pollack says about that. As for SAF and EAF, both sucked compared to the IAF. But I won't comment on that as I only remember bits and pieces. You might be able to elaborate better.


Which part? The tank losses part or the convincing part?
Tank losses. The Syrians may have blundered in the northern Golan sector. They should’ve just contained red ridge instead of squandering precious armor reserves trying to break through. But they did break through farther south and could have taken the Jordan river crossings had they prioritized that right away.
Btw the Syrian offensive was planned by Syrians. The Russians complained that “These damn Syrians will take anything but advice.”
I’d say Egyptian and Syrian performance was roughly comparable. The Egyptians—actually the knuckle brain Sadat—goofed badly by attacking on the 14th, and failing to agree to a cease fire when Kosygin came. It is true that the kill ratio in men and tanks wasn’t as bad on the Egyptian front, but the end result was probably as bad or worse.
 

starman

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Jan 2014
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You don't get recruits to fight for abstract ideas, unless there's a material goal involved.
Some Americans were eager to fight fascism in the Spanish civil war and Arabs fought in Afghanistan to expel the Russians. I have no doubt ISIS would’ve become a state actor if it could. Essentially while it had plenty of turf it was a state actor albeit unrecognized.
 

Cat

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If their priorities were aligned with Muslim sentiment, israel would have been on the top of their hit list. As I pointed out before, neither AQ nor ISIS ever targeted israel. A dead giveaway.

Establishing and supporting israel is the root cause of animosity towards the west. It doesn't make any sense to go after the west, completely overlooking israel.

P S. Don't try to pull that 'amti-semetic' card while discussing israel.
Bin laden's strategy in his own words was "focus our saw on its American root". Israel is merely one of the many branches of the tree in his analogy. Both AQ and ISIS have called for attacks on Israel but it is not their main target.
 
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Futurist

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May 2014
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If their priorities were aligned with Muslim sentiment, israel would have been on the top of their hit list. As I pointed out before, neither AQ nor ISIS ever targeted israel. A dead giveaway.

Establishing and supporting israel is the root cause of animosity towards the west. It doesn't make any sense to go after the west, completely overlooking israel.

P S. Don't try to pull that 'amti-semetic' card while discussing israel.
I suspect that ISIS--like a schoolyard bully--prefers to pick on weaker countries rather than on someone (such as Israel) whom it knows that it's not going to be able to handle. Israel has been quite capable at fighting Palestinian terrorists after 2000.
 

Futurist

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May 2014
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More lebensraum.

What next - will they need to annex some more Syrian territory to protect the settlers in the Golan Heights?
Yeah, the Israeli settlement movement does appear to be in part the result of a need for additional living space among Israelis. Of course, the Palestinians--especially in the Gaza Strip--certainly need some additional living space of their own.
 

Futurist

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May 2014
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I think there will be a lot of volunteers, as there are a lot of Jews that truly believe they have a mission in taking back and preserve Israel's sacred land.

Generally speaking, the settlements consist of people that want to be there. A couple of times they opposed to the very state of Israel, when Israel didn't wanted (for a reason or another) to have settlers/colonists in some area.
I suspect that a lot of people who live in the larger Israeli settlement blocs do so because it's convenient and perhaps cheaper as well. (I should know. I and my family lived in Pisgat Ze'ev until 2001--when we moved to the US--and my uncle and cousin also lived there for a certain amount of time--with my cousin still living there and with my uncle currently living in Ma'ale Adummim.) It's the smaller settlements where the more hardcore Israeli settlers appear to live.