- Mar 2013
- Escandinavia y Mesopotamia
The idea that Christianity halted science and caused decline is one of the most stupid assumption, and which is refuted convincingly by sholars and academia exemplified by the modern academic sources I provided.
Neo-atheistic losers are of course entitle to have their own personal opinion, but they are not entitle not to be informed and corrected about what the historians think.
Momigliano was still a pro historian, Grant wrote many books--he seemed scholarly enough--and with regard to some matters like the fate of Valerian, Gibbon made far better sense than some of the most modern authors.
Grant is not professional historian and his expertise are numismatic coins. In the academia they would ask you to provide better sources for your assertions and better arguments to convince the historians and students of history.
Gibbon is outdated and from 1700’s, but taking into consideration your howlers it is not surprising you rely on this Jew-hater.
Being a minority doesn't mean wrong. I suspect some are reluctant to blame christianity because it has the potential to "ruffle feathers."
Yes it did, or at least it tried its very best, for example after the big expedition of 468 the ERE was broke for years....
No, the WRE collapsed because of its own chronic weakness. Forced to rely on barbarian recruits after its own citizens refused to serve or fight, it stupidly alienated the barbarian soldiers in 408. After that it was too weak to prevent gradual inroads...
In fact Julian marked the last time prior to the fall of the WRE that Rome still had potent offensive capability. The fifth century empire could scarcely even defend.
It may have lasted a lot longer but it sure lost a lot of territory long before 1453.
ERE was an universal “vast” empire from 395-636. For 240 years it was a vast Empire, that is much better than for example Ptolemaic Kingdom which never reached the same size.
From 717-1204 ERE was a state with a population of 8-12 millions which was still “top 2” in Eurasia if not then top 1 in most of its time. That is pretty good numbers for a state in Medieval period.
The Latin Sack of 1204 destroyed much of it, and even here they lasted until 1453, and even carried out classical learning to Italy which fueled the Reanasisaince.
Here a map so you better can grasp it:
Can you find a state that did better than ERE? – No, you cannot.
Come on didn't you ever hear of its defeat by the Huns that year? The ERE had to pay a lot of gold as "protection money" i.e. Attila successfully extorted it from the militarily less than stellar ERE.
Hunnic Empire was also a pagan inferior entity unlike the ERE which was a high civilization who studied Plato and Euclid. Just saying.
It had an awful hard time. Even before the arabs relieved it of over half its territory the Sassanids nearly broke it c 600 CE.
ERE was an universal “vast” empire from 395-636. For 240 years it was a vast Empire. I don't complain, and you will not find a state that did it better in Eurasia.