Had China democratized in 1989, what would the last 30 years have looked like for China?

May 2017
278
China
Independence guarantees democracy – since the People's Republic is going to take it away. It's a means to an end.

And the fear of democracy is till all yours, as it is a fear of the Chinese people shorn of autocracy owning them and telling them what to think.

As for myself, I'm in Sweden. As we speak Swedish democracy is being directly targeted by Chinese state, through its embassy in the country, which has launched into a systemic campaign of trying to meddle in the free Swedish formation of opinion.

Fortunately they are so BAD at it, what the Chinese embassy has managed to do is alert the Swedish public to how our democratic system in being attacked by China. The efforts by the embassy are clearly counter-productive, giving China a bad (worse, art least) name in Sweden. But they are keeping it up, which means they are under instructions from Beijing to do so.

The Chinese attack on democracy is no longer limited to China.

better you swedish worry about yourself, your sweden soon become swedistan, your political correctness and altruism will genociding your own kin. let see how muslim treat you back when those muslim get the upper hand.

Sweden, Population 10.2 Million, Offers Asylum to China’s over 10 Million Uyhgur Muslims
Sweden, Population 10.2m, Offers Asylum to China's 10m Uyhgur Muslims

Sweden grants refugee status to China's Uighur Muslims, prompting calls for UK to follow suit
Sweden grants refugee status to China's Uighur Muslims, prompting calls for UK to follow suit

Sweden a country of 10 million to offer asylum to 11 Million Uyghur Muslims
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Linschoten

Ad Honoris
Aug 2010
16,214
Welsh Marches
Never believe what you read on the internet and never trust an Andorran, these are always two good maxims.
 

Larrey

Ad Honorem
Sep 2011
5,832
oh so you admit it now, you are Swedish SJW from sweden, who support separatist in china, right?

china did not trying to destroy sweden democrazy, china just trying to stop people like you evil swedish from meddling chinese affairs like hong kong taiwan tibet and xinjiang's cases. (that you called as democracy?)

you swedish SJW love to meddling chinese affairs like hong kong taiwan tibet and xinjiang (uyghur).

if you swedish stop meddling our chinese affairs, then it will be no reason for us to meddling into sweden's affairs.
Oh so now you fear Sweden of all things? That's simply your conspiracy theories and allegations.

Sweden's democracy is currently being interfered with by China. Self-defense against China is necessary. So that's what it gets.

But the reason China is (trying to, for now wholly unsuccessfully fortunately) meddle in Sweden isn't that Sweden poses any threat by anything it does – Sweden simply lacks size and power for that. It's because Sweden despite its smallness is one of a number of westerns countries that has considerable symbolic significance. It is a lighting-conductor for certain values, most importantly here democracy. It also risk-free for China to attack – unlike bigger countries like Germany or the US. We have to assume Sweden the entry-point for confronting also the larger democracies.

As for those Chinese, in Hongkong or Taiwan, they make their choices over this independent of mainland China. Currently it's Hongkong that has become a hot-spot. Because the People's Rupublic is currently attacking it's democracy.

This is not China being interfered with – this is China on the offensive against democracy – at home and abroad.
 
May 2017
278
China
Independence guarantees democracy – since the People's Republic is going to take it away. It's a means to an end.

And the fear of democracy is till all yours, as it is a fear of the Chinese people shorn of autocracy owning them and telling them what to think.

As for myself, I'm in Sweden. As we speak Swedish democracy is being directly targeted by Chinese state, through its embassy in the country, which has launched into a systemic campaign of trying to meddle in the free Swedish formation of opinion.

Fortunately they are so BAD at it, what the Chinese embassy has managed to do is alert the Swedish public to how our democratic system in being attacked by China. The efforts by the embassy are clearly counter-productive, giving China a bad (worse, art least) name in Sweden. But they are keeping it up, which means they are under instructions from Beijing to do so.

The Chinese attack on democracy is no longer limited to China.
we chinese and china dont like to meddling other countries' affair as long as you dont meddling with ours.

beside before you swedish care about other, care for your own swedish people first, those hong konger will still live (except for traitor) even under communist china. i doubt you swedish will live longer more than this centuries, many people want white people like swedish to die, including radical liberal white, jewish, and muslim.

this is one for you to enlight your mind

American activist Barbara Lerner Spectre calls for destruction of European ethnic societies

this jewish want multicultural europe and she live in sweden.


i as chinese personally wish nothing bad for swedish or white people as whole, as long as you dont bothering our bussiness. we just want all of you in the west to leave us alone, that is all.
 

Larrey

Ad Honorem
Sep 2011
5,832
we chinese and china dont like to meddling other countries' affair as long as you dont meddling with ours.
Then live as you preach. But China isn't.

Your surprised you can't attack democracy and not get a reaction – at home AND abroad. That's about it.

China is the enemy of democracy. We're fast moving away from the situation where it might be hope China would democratize of its own accord, and as is now also clear, China won't accept to just to keep to itself.

To the extent this is an effect of the new Chinese relative wealth and power in the world – it's obvious that when the west enjoyed that kind of relative advantages in wealth and power over China in the 19th c. it did NOT make the westerners better or wiser in any way for it. But the SAME applies to China – that it now has the wealth and power means it becomes crucial to stand up to it and confront it, because the Chinese wealth and power is NOT making the Chinese inherently better or wiser.

(As for what the devil you think some American lady having weird opinions is supposed to mean, I can't even begin to guess. Nor do I much care.)