Had much more European monarchies survived, would they have reformed their succession laws in favor of females?

arkteia

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Nov 2012
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Good post! That said, though, a slight correction--there were actually plenty of Romanov male agnates who were in line to the Russian throne before the Mikhailovichi when the Russian monarchy was abolished:

Line of succession to the former Russian throne - Wikipedia
You know, when you click on Alexandrovichi, they would have been out of succession line, one by one. One married a woman of royal blood but she was divorced, and his first cousin; one had a court of lovers and unmarried at that time, later marrying morganatically; one eventually married Kshesinskaya.

Ironically, the one who would have real rights around 1915 was Dmitry Pavlovich. Dutchess Olga was in love with him. The scandal related to his liaison with Felix Yusoupoff effectively destroyed that marriage.

But gives one something to think about. I thought the Tzar and the Tzarina merely liked Dmitry who was raised by Tzarina's sister Ella, but no, if you click on the previous contenders, it does seem that Dmitry Pavlovich stood the best chance of being the next Tzar.

I wonder how Russian history might have changed had Rasputin kept silent about the closeness between Felix and Dmitry. That was a huge scandal. But otherwise, Olga would have married the most reasonable in-line...
 
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Futurist

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Well, Mikhail Alexandrovich was out of that line because of morganatic marriage to Countess Brasova.

You assume that one has to go up Aleksandr III 's line then?
You mean Alexander II's line, no?

Have you read Paul's act? I think it stipulates, his four male kids. Do you think that they have to use all of Nicholas I' s male line before they go to up to descendants of Mikhail Pavlovich? (Probably, you are right, but this is not how the law is worded).
No, I have not read Paul's act. Thus, I could defer to your judgment here. However, what I do know is that Grand Duke Cyril was accepted as the heir to the Russian throne after the Bolshevik Revolution due to the fact that he was the most senior male agnate who was still alive after the Revolution. He was descended in the male line from Alexander III's younger brother Vladimir (with Cyril being Vladimir's oldest son).

Thus, Yes, I am tempted to think that the senior male line has to be completely exhausted before one could proceed to junior male lines. Also, as a side note, Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovich actually only had five daughters and no sons:

Grand Duke Michael Pavlovich of Russia - Wikipedia

You appear to be confusing him with his nephew Grand Duke Michael Nikolaevich--who was the youngest son of his older brother Tsar Nicholas I. This confusion might stem from the fact that both Tsar Paul and Tsar Nicholas I named their four sons in exactly the same way and in the exact same order. First, there was Alexander, then Constantine, then Nicholas, and then Michael. Seriously.
 

betgo

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If they remained real absolute or strong monarchies, it wouldn't make sense to increase the chance of female succession.
 
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MAGolding

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As a matter of fact most of the surviving monarchies of Europe changed their succession laws from agnatic (male only) primogeniture (in cases where that was their rule) to absolute primogentiture (the oldest child inherits whether male or female), sometimes changing it to male preference primogeniture (where a daughter inherits if she doesn't have any brothers) in between.

Monaco changed the succession law to male preference primogeniture (where a daughter inherits if she doesn't have any brothers) before 1700, and Spain changed it in 1830.

European monarchies that changed their succession laws to absolute primogeniture include Sweden (1980), The Netherlands (1983), Norway (1990), Belgium (1991), Denmark (2009), Luxembourg (2011),and the United Kingdom and the other monarchies of Elizabeth II (2015, applying to persons born after 2011).

The first female succession in Scotland was Margaret the Maid of Norway in 1286, and in England Jane & Mary I in 1553 (Empress Matilda disputed in 1135).

European kingdoms in the middle ages and early modern times which sometimes practiced male preference primogeniture (where a daughter inherits if she doesn't have any brothers), since women sometimes became queen in their own right, or men succeeded based on descent through females, included Scotland, England, Portugal, Castile, Navarre, Aragon, Sicily, the other Sicily, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Poland, Bohemia, Hungary & Croatia, Jerusalem, Armenia, & Cyprus, and the "Latin empire of Constantinople". Sometimes there were succession disputes in kingdoms and principalities between the agnatic heir (heir male) and the heir by male preference primogeniture (heir general), so some realms did not always follow the same succession rule.

In modern times it is common to specify the succession rule when a new noble title is created. Spain changed the succession law for noble titles in 2006 to absolute primogeniture. In Germany succession to fiefs and principalities was always by agnatic primogeniture so long as there were any agnatic members of the dynasty.

Even though the French Monarchy had agnatic Succession since 1328 or 1316, most French noble titles could pass by male preference primogeniture.

So it seems possible that some other European monarchies might have changed their succession laws in some way if they survived to the present.
 
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Futurist

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As a matter of fact most of the surviving monarchies of Europe changed their succession laws from agnatic (male only) primogeniture (in cases where that was their rule) to absolute primogentiture (the oldest child inherits whether male or female), sometimes changing it to male preference primogeniture (where a daughter inherits if she doesn't have any brothers) in between.

Monaco changed the succession law to male preference primogeniture (where a daughter inherits if she doesn't have any brothers) before 1700, and Spain changed it in 1830.

European monarchies that changed their succession laws to absolute primogeniture include Sweden (1980), The Netherlands (1983), Norway (1990), Belgium (1991), Denmark (2009), Luxembourg (2011),and the United Kingdom and the other monarchies of Elizabeth II (2015, applying to persons born after 2011).

The first female succession in Scotland was Margaret the Maid of Norway in 1286, and in England Jane & Mary I in 1553 (Empress Matilda disputed in 1135).

European kingdoms in the middle ages and early modern times which sometimes practiced male preference primogeniture (where a daughter inherits if she doesn't have any brothers), since women sometimes became queen in their own right, or men succeeded based on descent through females, included Scotland, England, Portugal, Castile, Navarre, Aragon, Sicily, the other Sicily, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Poland, Bohemia, Hungary & Croatia, Jerusalem, Armenia, & Cyprus, and the "Latin empire of Constantinople". Sometimes there were succession disputes in kingdoms and principalities between the agnatic heir (heir male) and the heir by male preference primogeniture (heir general), so some realms did not always follow the same succession rule.

In modern times it is common to specify the succession rule when a new noble title is created. Spain changed the succession law for noble titles in 2006 to absolute primogeniture. In Germany succession to fiefs and principalities was always by agnatic primogeniture so long as there were any agnatic members of the dynasty.

Even though the French Monarchy had agnatic Succession since 1328 or 1316, most French noble titles could pass by male preference primogeniture.

So it seems possible that some other European monarchies might have changed their succession laws in some way if they survived to the present.
Very interesting information! Also, Yes, I know that sometimes French titles were allowed to pass to and/or through women. For instance, Charles III, Duke of Bourbon was also Duke of Montpensier and after he was killed in 1527 his Montpensier title was given to his oldest sister Louise.

Also, interestingly enough, when the French, Italian, German, Austro-Hungaarian, Romanian, Yugoslav/Serbian, Montenegrin, Two Sicilies, Parma, and perhaps some other monarchies were abolished, their royal succession rules were based on agnatic primogeniture.