Heirs of the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

MAGolding

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The Brienne Claim to the Kingdom of Jerusalem Part One.

The Kingdom of Jerusalem was established by the First crusade and might be the most famous monarchy established by Western Europeans in other continents outside of Europe.

Count Eustache II of Bologne (c. 1015/20-1087) had Three sons. The second Godefroi of Bouillion became Duke of Lower Lorraine in 1087 and joined the first crusade in 1096. When Jerusalem was captured in 1099 Godefroi was elected the ruler of the new state.

1. Godefroi (1060?-1100) Princeps of Jerusalem 1099-1100. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN FRANCE.htm#Godefroidied1100 - Boulogne sur Mer No recorded children. Brother of:

2. Baldwin I (1058?-1118) Count of Edessa 1098-1100, King o fJerusalem 1100-1118. Boulogne sur Mer No legitimate children. Relative of:

3. King Baldwin II (d. 1131) Son of Manassas II Count of Rethel, he was anunspecified relative of Godefroi and Baldwin I. Was count Baldwin II of Edessa 1100-1118, king of Jerusalem 1118-1131. father of:

4. Melisende Queen of Jerusalem (d. 1161) Oldest of 4 daughters. JERUSALEM Married 1129 Fulk V Count of Anjou, King of Jerusalem (1092-1144). Parents of:

5. King Baldwin III of Jerusalem (1131-1162) No children. Brother of:

6. King Amaury I of Jerusalem (1136-1174) Married 1st 1158 Agnes de Courtenay marriage annuled 1162, 2nd 1167 Marie Comnene (1154-1217) relative of Emperor Manuel I. JERUSALEM Father of:

7. King Baldwin IV the Leper of Jerusalem (1161-1185) No children. Uncle of:

8. King Baldwin V of Jerusalem (1177-1186) son of William of Montferrrat and number 8. No children. Son of:

9. Queen Sibylle of Jerusalem (1160?-1190) Married first William of Montferrat (d. 1137) Married 2nd 1180 Guy of Lusignan (d. 1194) King of Jerusalem 1180-1192). JERUSALEM No surviving children. Half Sister of:

10. Isabelle Queen of Jerusalem (1172-1206) Daughter of # 6 King Amaury I of Jerusalem (1136-1174) & his 2nd wife Marie Comnene (1154-1217) JERUSALEM Married four times and had children with the last three husbands. Married 2nd 1190 number 11 Conrad of Montferrat (d. 1192) King of Jerusalem 1192, 3rd number 12 Henry count of Champagne King of Jerusalem 1192-1197, 4th number 13 KIng Amaury I of Cyprus King of Jerusalem 1198-1205. Isabella and her 2nd Husband Conrad of Montferrat were parents of:

14. Maria of Montferrat (1192-1212) Queen of Jerusalem. Married number 15 John of Brienne (1170/75-1237) King of Jerusalem jure uxoris.
JERUSALEM

16. Isabelle/Yolanda Queen of Jerusalem (1211-1228). Married number 17 Emperor Frederick II (1294-1250) King of Jerusalem jure uxoris. Parents of:
JERUSALEM

18. Konrad IV (1228-1254). King of the Romans 1237. King of Jerusalem 1228. King of Sicily 1250. Rightful heir of the Salian and Hohenstaufen dynasties of Holy Roman Emperor and the Komnenos dynasty of eastern Roman or "Byzantine" Emperors.
GERMANY, KINGS

19. Konrad V "Conradin" (1252-1268) Only legitimate child. King of Jerusalem and Sicily and Duke of Swabia 1254. Rightful heir of the Salian and Hohenstaufen dynasties of Holy Roman Emperor and the Komnenos dynasty of eastern Roman or "Byzantine" Emperors.
GERMANY, KINGS

20. Hugues of Brienne (d.1296) CHAMPAGNE - BRIENNE - Family tree of Hugues de Brienne Son of Walter IV (1205-1244/47), Count of Brienne, Count of Jaffa & [Marie de Lusignan (<1215-1251/53), daughter of Hughes I king of Cyprus (1193/94-1218) CYPRUS and his wife Alix of Jerusalem (1196/97-1247) Daughter of Queen Isabelle and her third husband Count Henry II of Champagne, King of Jerusalem. JERUSALEM Hughes of Brienne claimed the regency of the Kingdom of Jerusalem in 1267 but it was refused. Married Isabel of Athens. Parents of:
CHAMPAGNE - BRIENNE

21. Walter V of Brienne (1278?-1312) Duke of Athens and Count of Lecce.
LATIN LORDSHIPS IN GREECE

22. Walter VI of Brienne (1302-1256) Son. Duke of Athens, Count of Lecce, lord of Florence. Father of Walter, Jeanne, & Margaret who died young. No surviving children. Brother of:

23. Isabella of Brienne (d.1360) Sister. Married Walter III (1302-1345) Lord of Enghien. Family tree of Isabelle de Brienne - LATIN LORDSHIPS IN GREECE Parents of:

24. Sohier II of Enghien (d. 1364) Older son. Count of Brienne & titular Duke of Athens. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#GauthierIVEnghiendied1345 Father of:

25. Walter III (d.1381) Titular Duke of Athens. Childless. Cousin of:

26. Pierre (d. 1384) Son of John of Enghien (d. 1380) son of # 23 Isabella and Walter III. Childless. Brother of:

27. Marie of Enghien (1367-1445/46) Married first Raymond Orsini of Balzo (1361-1406), Prince of Taranto. HAINAUT - CENTRAL ITALY - Family tree of Marie d'Enghien Parents of:

28. Giantonio of Balzo (1386-1463) Prince of Taranto. Childless. Cousin of:

29. Isabella of Cleremont (c. 1424-1465) Older daughter of Catherine of Balzo (died before 1431), Family tree of Caterina Orsini daughter of # 27 Marie of Enghien. & Barthelemy "Tristian" de Clermont (Chiarmonte) CENTRAL ITALY Princess of Taranto. Married 144/45 Ferdinand/Ferrante I (d. 1494) King of Naples. SICILY - Isabella of Clermont - Wikipedia Parents of:

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MAGolding

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Heirs of the kingdom of Jerusalem, the Brienne claim, continued:


29. Isabella of Cleremont (c. 1424-1465) Older daughter of Catherine of Balzo (died before 1431), Family tree of Caterina Orsini daughter of # 27 Marie of Enghien. & Barthelemy "Tristian" de Clermont (Chiarmonte) CENTRAL ITALY Princess of Taranto. Married 144/45 Ferdinand/Ferrante I (d. 1494) King of Naples. SICILY - Isabella of Clermont - Wikipedia Parents of:

30. King Alfonso I of Naples (1448-1495) Oldest son. SICILY - Ivrea 8 father of:

31. Ferdinand/Ferrente II of Naples (1469-1496) Son. SICILY Childless. Brother of:

32. Isabella of Naples (1470-1524) Married Giangaleazzo Sforza (1469-1494), Duke of Milan. MILAN Mother of:

33. Bona Sforza (1494/95-1558) POLAND Married Sigismund I The Old (1467-1448), King of Poland. Mother of:

34. King Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (1520-1572). POLAND Childless. Brother of:

35. Sophie Jabiellon (1522-1575). Oldest surviving Sister. Married Duke Henry V of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. BRUNSWICK Childless. Sister of:

36. Queen Anna I of Poland (1523-1596) sister. Married King Stephen Bathory. HUNGARY KINGS Childless. Aunt of:

37. King Sigismund III Vasa (1566-1632) Son of King John III of Sweden and Anna (1523-96) of Poland. King of Poland 1587-1632, King of Sweden 1592-1599. POLAND Father of:

38. Wladyslaw Vasa (1595-1648) Son. King of Poland. POLAND No surviving legitimate children.
Władysław IV Vasa - Wikipedia

39. John II Casimir Vasa (1609-1672) Brother. King of Poland. Childless. POLAND Last surviving descendant of Bona Sforza and Sigismund I The Old. Cousin of:

40. Henry de La Tremoille, (1598-1674) Third Duke of Thouars. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/poitwest.htm#FrancoisTremoilledied1541B son of Claude de La Tremoille, (1566-1604) Second Duke of Thouars http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/poitwest.htm#HenriTremoilledied1674A son of [Louis III de La Tremoille, (1521-1577) First Duke of Thouars http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/poitwest.htm#FrancoisTremoilledied1541A son of Francoise de la Tremoille (1504/05-1541) viscount of Thouars, Prince of Talmond and his wife Anne of Laval (1505-1554) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/poitwest.htm#FrancoisTremoilledied1541A daughter of Guy XVI Count of Laval and his 1st wife Charlotta of Naples MAINE - NOBILITY daughter of King Frederigo/Rederick IV of Naples brother of # 30 King Alfonso and son of # 29 Isabella of Clermont. SICILY - Ivrea 8 # 40 Henry de La Tremoille, (1598-1674) Third Duke of Thouars was the grandfather of:

41. Charles Belgique Hollande de La Tremoille, (1655-1709) . Fourth Duke of Thouars. Son of Henry Charles (1619/20-1972), son of number 40 Henry de La Tremoille, (1598-1674). http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/poitwest.htm#FrancoisTremoilledied1541B . Father of:

42. Charles Louis Bretagne de La Tremoille, (1683-1719) 5th Duke of Thouars. https://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?la...=0&p=charles+louis+bretagne&n=de+la+tremoille - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Louis_Bretagne_de_La_Trémoille Father of:

43. Charles Armand Rene de La Tremoille, (1708-1741) Sixth Duke of Thouars. https://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?la...ocz=0&p=charles+armand+rene&n=de+la+tremoille -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Armand_René_de_La_Trémoille Father of:

44. Jean-Bretagne-Charles de La Tremoille, (1737-1792) Seventh Duke of Thouars. https://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?la...n+bretagne+charles+godefroy&n=de+la+tremoille - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Bretagne_Charles_de_La_Trémoille Father of:

45. Charles Bretagne Marie de La Tremoille, (1764-1839) Eighth Duke of Thouars. https://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?la...=0&p=charles+bretagne+marie&n=de+la+tremoille - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bretagne_Marie_de_La_Trémoille Father of:

46. Louis Charles Charles de La Tremoille, (1838-1911) Ninth Duke of Thouars. https://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?lang=en&n=de+la+tremoille&oc=0&p=louis+charles - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Charles_de_La_Trémoille Father of:

47. Louis Charles Marie de La Tremoille, (1863-1921) Tenth Duke of Thouars. https://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?la...marie&n=de+la+tremoille&on_register_success=1 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Charles_Marie_de_La_Trémoille Father of:

48 Louis Jean Marie de La Tremoille, (1910-1933) Son. Twelfth Duke of Thouars. Prince of Taranto, Prince of Thalmond. https://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?la...lt&ocz=0&p=louis+jean+marie&n=de+la+tremoille -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Jean_Marie_de_La_Trémoille Childless. Brother of:

49. Charlotte Marie Clothilde de La Tremoille (1892-1971) Married Henry Florent Lamoral (1881-1967) Prince of Ligne. http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ligne/ligne3.html Parents of:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_de_La_Trémoille

50. Prince Jean Charles de Ligne de La Tremoille (1911-2005).http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ligne/ligne3.html - https://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?la...antoine+marie+louis+eugene+lamoral&n=de+ligne Father of:

51. Charles-Antoine Lamoral de Ligne de La Tremoille (b. 1946). http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ligne/ligne3.html - https://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?la...antoine+marie+louis+eugene+lamoral&n=de+ligne Father of:

Eduard Lamoral rudolphe de Ligne de La Tremoille (b. 1976). Older son. http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ligne/ligne3.html

However, there are some problems with this list of heirs.
 
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I don't understand the purpose of your post. Are you doing a study on the Kingdom Of Jerusalem, or are you claiming descent.?

I was under the impression that the Kingdom Of Jerusalem became extinct at the end of the Thirteenth century>Please excuse my ignorance. Do you think you could do a dumbed down version of the point you're trying to make? I'm fascinated by the Crusades ,but have only really had a look at the history of the Second Crusades, and that was a few years ago. ..
 

MAGolding

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I don't understand the purpose of your post. Are you doing a study on the Kingdom Of Jerusalem, or are you claiming descent.?

I was under the impression that the Kingdom Of Jerusalem became extinct at the end of the Thirteenth century>Please excuse my ignorance. Do you think you could do a dumbed down version of the point you're trying to make? I'm fascinated by the Crusades ,but have only really had a look at the history of the Second Crusades, and that was a few years ago. ..

The point of this thread is to list all the persons who might be considered the heirs of the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

If you use the search function here in Historum and search for "Heirs of" in titles you will find a bunch of threads that I have started about the heirs of various thrones. And you will note that because of various political and military events there are about a dozen different lines of heirs leading to about a dozen different present day persons for each kingdom listed.

As for purpose, I guess you could read "The Exiles Club" by Lord Dunsany online, here Tales of Wonder: The Exiles Club for example. I guess one purpose of these threads is to create a similar club, or at least identify who would be the waiters.
 
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MAGolding

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Problems with the Brienne Claim to Jerusalem.

Post # 1 and post # 2 give the Brienne claim to the kingdom of Jerusalem.

An important ancestor who transmitted the Brienne claim to the Kingdom of Jerusalem to her heirs was Anne of Laval (1505-1554) who married Francoise de la Tremoille (1504/05-1541) viscount of Thouars, Prince of Talmond. Family tree of Anne de Laval - MAINE - NOBILITY

But Anne of Laval had a sister Catherine who married. Medieval Lands only says that Catherine died in 1526 and Anne died in 1554 but the data on Anne of Laval in Geneanet says that Catharine was born in 1504 and Anne was born in 1505. If that is correct it would make the descendants of Catherine of Laval the rightful heirs until and unless they died out.

a. Catherine of Laval, the possibly older sister, married Claude de Rieux, Count of Harcourt (1497-1532. MAINE - NOBILITY Mother of:

b. Renee de Rieux, Countess of Laval & Harcourt (1524-1567) married Louis de Sainte-Maure, Maquis of Nesle. No Children. Family tree of Guyonne XVIII Sister of:

c. Claudine de Rieux (b. 1525) married Francise de Coligney (d. 1569) Lord of Andelot. Family tree of Claudine de Laval mother of:

d. Guy XIX of Coligny, Count of Laval (1555-1586) Father of:

e. Guy XX of Coligny, Count of Laval (1585-1605) No Children. And he may have been the last surviving descendant of Catherine of Laval, whic would make Henry de La Tremoille, (1598-1674) Third Duke of Thouars the heir to the Brienne claim to Jerusalem in 1672 when John II Casimir Vasa (1609-1672), King of Poland, died.

Then a few generations earlier Isabella of Cleremont (c. 1424-1465) who married King Ferdinand/Ferrrente of Naples was the heiress of the Brienne claim to Jerusalem. Or was she? She had two sisters who married, and after their brother Raymond de Clermont died childless in 1434/35 whichever sister was the oldest would be the heir. Genealogics states tahat Sanchia was the older sister, born about 1416, while Isabella was born about 1424, but I don't know how accurate that is. Tristan di Chiaramonte, Conte di Copertino : Genealogics

a. Sancie de Clermont possibly the older sister, married Francesco de Balzo Duke of Adnria (1410-1482) TOULOUSE NOBILITY Mother of:

b. Pietro de Balzo Duke of Andria (murdered 1487) probably the older brother since he inherited his father's ducal title. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NEAPOLITAN NOBILITY.htm#FrancescoBalzoAndriadied1482 Fsather of:

c. Frederigo, count of Acerra flourished 1477. No children listed. Brother of:

d. Isabella Married King Frederigo IV of Naples (1452-1504) SICILY Mother of:

e. Prince Fernando of Naples (1488-1550) No legitimate Children. Nephew of:

f. Antonia Married Gianfrancesco Gonzaga, 1st Count of Sabbioneta (d. 1498). http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NEAPOLITAN NOBILITY.htm#FrancescoBalzoAndriadied1482 - Gonzaga 8 - Gonzaga

g, Ludovico, 2nd Count of Sabbioneta (d. 1540) Oldest son. Father of:

h. Ludovico, 3rd Count of Sabbioneta (1500-1532) Oldest son. Father of:

i. Vespasiano Gonzago Marquis, Duke, and Prince of Sabbionetta (1631-1591) No surviving sons. Father of:

j. Isabella (1565-1635) married Luigi carafe Prince of Stiglino. And their possible descendants might have inherited the claim to Jerusalem in 1672. Grand niece of:

k. Ippolitta (d. 1571) married Galeotto II Pico della Mirandola (1508-1550) Pico 2. Mother of:

l. Ludovico II, Count of Mirandola (1527-1568) father of:

m. Galeotto II, Count of Mirandola (1563-1597) unmarried Brother of:

n. Frederigo II Prince of Mirandola (1564-1602) No children. Brother of:

o. Alessandro I Prince of Mirandola (1566-1637) Grandfather of:

40. Alessandro II Duke of Mirandola (1631-1691) son of Galeotto IV illegitimate but legitimated son of o. If Sancie of Clermont was older than Isabella of Clermont and if there were no heirs of j, he became the rightful heir of Jerusalem in 1672. Grandfather of:

41. Francisco Maria Duke of Mirandola (1668-1747) deposed 1708. Son of Francisco Maria (1661-1689) There must be an error in the dates somewhere. No children. Cousin of:

42. Alessandro, Marques of Quarantoli (1710-1787) No Children. Cousin of:

43. Luigi II Gonzaga, Prince of Solferino (1745-1819), son of Leopoldo Prince of Solferino (1716-1760), son of Luigi Prince of Solferino (1680-1768) , son of Fernando III Gonzago Prince of Castiglione Duke of Solferino (1648-1723) Gonzaga 2 and Laura (1660-1720), daughter of # 40 Alessandro II Duke of Mirandola (1631-1691). Luigi II Gonzaga was childless. Cousin of:

44. Don Luis V Fernandez de Cordoba (1780-1840) 14th Duke of Medinaceli Don Luis V Fernández de Córdoba y Figueroa de la Cerda, 14.Duque de Medinaceli : Genealogics son of Don Luis IV Fernandez de Cordoba (1749-1806) 13th Duke of Medinaceli Don Luis IV Fernández de Córdoba Figueroa de la Cerda, 13.Duque de Medinaceli : Genealogics Son of Don Pedro de Alcantara Fernandez de Cordoba 12th Duke of Duke of Medinaceli (1730-1789) Don Pedro de Alcántara Fernández de Córdoba Figueroa de la Cerda, 12.Duque de Medinaceli : Genealogics and his wife Maria Francesca (1731-1757) daughter of Francesco Gonzaga (1684-1758) younger son of son of Fernando III Gonzago Prince of Castiglione Duke of Solferino (1648-1723) Gonzaga 2 and Laura (1660-1720), daughter of # 40 Alessandro II Duke of Mirandola (1631-1691) Gonzaga 2 the 14th Duke of Medinacelli was the father of:

45. Don Luis VI Tomes Fernandez de Cordoba (1813-1873) 15th Duke of Medinaceli Don Luis VI Tomés Fernández de Córdoba Figueroa de la Cerda, 15.Duque de Medinaceli : Genealogics Father of:

46. Don Luis Fernandez de Cordoba (1851-1879) 16th Duke of Medinaceli Don Luis Fernández de Córdoba, 16.Duque de Medinaceli, 12.Marqués de Alcalá de La Alameda : Genealogics Father of:

47. Don Luis Jesus ...etc. Fernandez de Cordoba (1880-1956) 17th Duke of Medinaceli Don Luis Fernández de Córdoba, 17.Duque de Medinaceli, 13.Marqués de Alcalá de La Alameda : Genealogics father of:

48. Dona Victoria Eugenia etc. Fernandez de Cordoba (1914-2013) 18th Duchess of Medinaceli. Married Don Rafael de Medina y Villalonga Ybarra (1905-1992) Doña Victoria Eugenia Fernández de Córdoba, 18.Duquesa de Medinaceli, 14.Marquesa de Alcalá de La Alameda : Genealogics Mother of:

49. Don Luis de Medina y Fernandez de Cordoba (1941-2011) 9th Duke of Santisteban del Puerto. Oldest son. Don Luis de Medina y Fernández de Córdoba, 9.Duque de Santisteban del Puerto : Genealogics Father of:

50. Dona Victoria de Medina y Conradi (b. 4 October 1986) 10th Duchess of Santisteban del Puerto. Doña Victoria de Medina y Conradi, 10.Duquesa de Santisteban del Puerto : Genealogics She might possibly be the rightful heir of Sancie de Clermont who might possibly have been the older sister of Isabella de Clermont and the heiress of the Brienne claim to Jerusalem.

And there are other problems with the Brienne claim to Jerusalem.
 
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Heirs of the kingdom of Jerusalem, the Brienne claim, continued:


29. Isabella of Cleremont (c. 1424-1465) Older daughter of Catherine of Balzo (died before 1431), Family tree of Caterina Orsini daughter of # 27 Marie of Enghien. & Barthelemy "Tristian" de Clermont (Chiarmonte) CENTRAL ITALY Princess of Taranto. Married 144/45 Ferdinand/Ferrante I (d. 1494) King of Naples. SICILY - Isabella of Clermont - Wikipedia Parents of:

30. King Alfonso I of Naples (1448-1495) Oldest son. SICILY - Ivrea 8 father of:

31. Ferdinand/Ferrente II of Naples (1469-1496) Son. SICILY Childless. Brother of:

32. Isabella of Naples (1470-1524) Married Giangaleazzo Sforza (1469-1494), Duke of Milan. MILAN Mother of:

33. Bona Sforza (1494/95-1558) POLAND Married Sigismund I The Old (1467-1448), King of Poland. Mother of:

34. King Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (1520-1572). POLAND Childless. Brother of:

35. Sophie Jabiellon (1522-1575). Oldest surviving Sister. Married Duke Henry V of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. BRUNSWICK Childless. Sister of:

36. Queen Anna I of Poland (1523-1596) sister. Married King Stephen Bathory. HUNGARY KINGS Childless. Aunt of:

37. King Sigismund III Vasa (1566-1632) Son of King John III of Sweden and Anna (1523-96) of Poland. King of Poland 1587-1632, King of Sweden 1592-1599. POLAND Father of:

38. Wladyslaw Vasa (1595-1648) Son. King of Poland. POLAND No surviving legitimate children.
Władysław IV Vasa - Wikipedia

39. John II Casimir Vasa (1609-1672) Brother. King of Poland. Childless. POLAND Last surviving descendant of Bona Sforza and Sigismund I The Old. Cousin of:

40. Henry de La Tremoille, (1598-1674) Third Duke of Thouars. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/poitwest.htm#FrancoisTremoilledied1541B son of Claude de La Tremoille, (1566-1604) Second Duke of Thouars http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/poitwest.htm#HenriTremoilledied1674A son of [Louis III de La Tremoille, (1521-1577) First Duke of Thouars http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/poitwest.htm#FrancoisTremoilledied1541A son of Francoise de la Tremoille (1504/05-1541) viscount of Thouars, Prince of Talmond and his wife Anne of Laval (1505-1554) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/poitwest.htm#FrancoisTremoilledied1541A daughter of Guy XVI Count of Laval and his 1st wife Charlotta of Naples MAINE - NOBILITY daughter of King Frederigo/Rederick IV of Naples brother of # 30 King Alfonso and son of # 29 Isabella of Clermont. SICILY - Ivrea 8 # 40 Henry de La Tremoille, (1598-1674) Third Duke of Thouars was the grandfather of:

41. Charles Belgique Hollande de La Tremoille, (1655-1709) . Fourth Duke of Thouars. Son of Henry Charles (1619/20-1972), son of number 40 Henry de La Tremoille, (1598-1674). http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/poitwest.htm#FrancoisTremoilledied1541B . Father of:

42. Charles Louis Bretagne de La Tremoille, (1683-1719) 5th Duke of Thouars. Family tree of Charles Louis Bretagne de La Trémoille - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Louis_Bretagne_de_La_Trémoille Father of:

43. Charles Armand Rene de La Tremoille, (1708-1741) Sixth Duke of Thouars. https://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?la...ocz=0&p=charles+armand+rene&n=de+la+tremoille -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Armand_René_de_La_Trémoille Father of:

44. Jean-Bretagne-Charles de La Tremoille, (1737-1792) Seventh Duke of Thouars. https://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?la...n+bretagne+charles+godefroy&n=de+la+tremoille - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Bretagne_Charles_de_La_Trémoille Father of:

45. Charles Bretagne Marie de La Tremoille, (1764-1839) Eighth Duke of Thouars. https://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?la...=0&p=charles+bretagne+marie&n=de+la+tremoille - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bretagne_Marie_de_La_Trémoille Father of:

46. Louis Charles Charles de La Tremoille, (1838-1911) Ninth Duke of Thouars. https://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?lang=en&n=de+la+tremoille&oc=0&p=louis+charles - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Charles_de_La_Trémoille Father of:

47. Louis Charles Marie de La Tremoille, (1863-1921) Tenth Duke of Thouars. https://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?la...marie&n=de+la+tremoille&on_register_success=1 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Charles_Marie_de_La_Trémoille Father of:

48 Louis Jean Marie de La Tremoille, (1910-1933) Son. Twelfth Duke of Thouars. Prince of Taranto, Prince of Thalmond. https://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?la...lt&ocz=0&p=louis+jean+marie&n=de+la+tremoille -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Jean_Marie_de_La_Trémoille Childless. Brother of:

49. Charlotte Marie Clothilde de La Tremoille (1892-1971) Married Henry Florent Lamoral (1881-1967) Prince of Ligne. http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ligne/ligne3.html Parents of:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_de_La_Trémoille

50. Prince Jean Charles de Ligne de La Tremoille (1911-2005).http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ligne/ligne3.html - https://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?la...antoine+marie+louis+eugene+lamoral&n=de+ligne Father of:

51. Charles-Antoine Lamoral de Ligne de La Tremoille (b. 1946). http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ligne/ligne3.html - https://gw.geneanet.org/frebault?la...antoine+marie+louis+eugene+lamoral&n=de+ligne Father of:

Eduard Lamoral rudolphe de Ligne de La Tremoille (b. 1976). Older son. http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ligne/ligne3.html

However, there are some problems with this list of heirs.
Why is "rudolphe" not capitalized in the last name on your list? Is that merely a typo?

Also, it's interesting that the House of La Tremoille inherited this claim and also that the last male agnate of this House died in 1933.
 
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In my tree, I have Louis d'Acre de Brienne, Viscount de Beaumont, born 1223 in Acre, Levant to 1297 in Maine, France. He had a daughter Jeanne de Brienne de Beaumont, born 1263 in Beaumont, Maine, France to 1310 either in Bedfordshire or France. But I haven't paid attention to this twig for quite a while. She married as her second husband Norville Norton Sr., born in Sharpenhoe, Bedfordshire. This began a long Norton line in England.
 
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Why is "rudolphe" not capitalized in the last name on your list? Is that merely a typo?

Also, it's interesting that the House of La Tremoille inherited this claim and also that the last male agnate of this House died in 1933.
Why is "rudolphe" not capitalized in the last name on your list? Is that merely a typo?

Also, it's interesting that the House of La Tremoille inherited this claim and also that the last male agnate of this House died in 1933.

Yes "rudolphe" is a typo, one of many. If it was the only typo I failed to notice and correct in time I was doing well on that post.

Of course the extinction of the male line of the Tremoille's isn't very important since their claim to Jerusalem came to them though nine females if I count correctly, so there is plenty of precedent for the de la Tremoille claim to pass to Charles-Antoine Lamoral de Ligne de La Tremoille (b. 1946), the current heir, through his grandmother.

Is it true that "the House of La Tremoille inherited this claim"? Post # 5 traces the heirs of Sancie of Cleremont, the allegedly older sister of number 29 Isabella of Cleremont, down to Dona Victoria de Medina y Conradi (b. 4 October 1986) 10th Duchess of Santisteban del Puerto. And there are other problems with this claim that will be discussed in later posts.

But Charles-Antoine Lamoral de Ligne de La Tremoille (b. 1946) shouldn't be too sad about that, since the de la Tremoille Dukes of Thours were also the heirs of the Savoy claim to the Kingdoms of Jerusalem, Cyprus, and (Lesser) Armenia and were also claimants to be the heirs of the Aragonese kings of Naples from 1458 to 1501, who also used the title of King of Jerusalem.

In my tree, I have Louis d'Acre de Brienne, Viscount de Beaumont, born 1223 in Acre, Levant to 1297 in Maine, France. He had a daughter Jeanne de Brienne de Beaumont, born 1263 in Beaumont, Maine, France to 1310 either in Bedfordshire or France. But I haven't paid attention to this twig for quite a while. She married as her second husband Norville Norton Sr., born in Sharpenhoe, Bedfordshire. This began a long Norton line in England.
You have to remember that noble families tend to branch out and have several cousins of the same family alive at any one time. Many of the families famous in the history of the Kingdom of Jerusalem like Lusignan, Montferrat, Ibelin, etc., had different branches active in the east who were not all descended from each other from father to son.

In the case of the Brienne family you will note that John of Brienne (1170/75-1237) married Maria of Jerusalem (1192-1212) and their daughter Isabelle/Yolanda Queen of Jerusalem (1211-1228) married Emperor Frederick II (1294-1250). And you will note that the first Brienne claimant to Jerusalem, Hugues of Brienne (d.1296) was the son of of Walter IV (1205-1244/47), Count of Brienne, Count of Jaffa, son of Walter III of Brienne (d. 1205), son of Erard II of Brienne (d. 1190/91), son of Walter III of Brienne (d. before 1161) who could not possibly be the son of John of Brienne (1170/75-1237) King of Jerusalem.

Your Louis of Brienne (1223-1297) was the son of John of Brienne (1170/75-1237) King of Jerusalem, Latin Emperor of constantinople, and his third wife Infanta Berenguela of Castile & Leon. John of Brienne (1170/75-1237) was a younger son of Erard II of Brienne (d. 1190/91. CHAMPAGNE - BRIENNE

Do you think they'll get it back? I tend to think not
See post number 4 above.
 
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It's all so complex for my feeble brain. Anyway, how I got back that far is tracing the lineages going back from Thomas Francis Greene, colonial governor of Maryland (an ancestor of mine in my maternal branch). One generation led to another until I found myself back in Crusader times, ha ha. There was a name change along the Norton line to Greene; supposedly related to an unofficial mother (mistress or etc.). But the male Norton line in this new Greene line is true.
 
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