Hindu God Ganesha is from Greeks ?

Jul 2018
63
North America
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Gaṇapati, the name of Gaṇeśa, was lifted from basically a single verse : “gaṇānāṃ tvā …” which is actually for Brahmaṇaspati, an epithet of Bṛhaspati, who is the form aligned with Indra in the context of Indra being the sageliest of sages who breaks the vala enclosure and releases the cows of spiritual light and knowledge.
The Lord Gaṇeśa, as we see in Puranas, has nothing to do with this Bṛhaspati. Though a few interpolated verses have been added in the form of fake Upanishads to glorify this later deity, he is virtually unknown in all authentic Brahmanic/Vedic scriptures.
The deity was probably inspired from a non Vedic, non Brahmanic tradition which worshiped elephant-god as symbol of might, intelligence and crushing all obstacles.
 
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Aupmanyav

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Jun 2014
4,352
New Delhi, India
#3
Yeah, they are the indigenous deities (Shiva, Rama, Krishna, Durga, to name the major ones) whom Aryans adopted after assimilation. The Vedic deities except for Vishnu, Rudra and Saraswati became unimportant. No reason to consider Upanishads that mention Ganesha as fakes. Most Upanishads also came up after Aryan/Indigenous assimilation.
Basically, if Aryan brahmins had to earn their livelihood in India, they had to service the Gods and Goddesses of the majority indigenous people. - Economic reason.
The tile of the topic mentions Greeks but nothing in the opening post follows that. ;)
 
Apr 2018
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Mythical land.
#4
Indians have a reason to worship an elephant god,i mean elephants were part of core of many armies of india.
the greeks,not so much.
 
Sep 2015
375
Sri Lanka
#5
THE SECRET ORIGIN OF LORD GANESHA :)

Ganesha is identified with the Hindu mantra "Aum" ,[ [Wikipaedia]----Hence Ganapathi Mantram [ OM Gan Ganapataye ,Namo Namah ,Shree Siddhi Vinayak Namo Namah..............]
 

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Aatreya

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Dec 2014
2,984
USA
#6
Yeah, they are the indigenous deities (Shiva, Rama, Krishna, Durga, to name the major ones) whom Aryans adopted after assimilation. The Vedic deities except for Vishnu, Rudra and Saraswati became unimportant. No reason to consider Upanishads that mention Ganesha as fakes. Most Upanishads also came up after Aryan/Indigenous assimilation.
Basically, if Aryan brahmins had to earn their livelihood in India, they had to service the Gods and Goddesses of the majority indigenous people. - Economic reason.
The tile of the topic mentions Greeks but nothing in the opening post follows that. ;)
Same nonsense again. Rama and Krishna were personages who were probably turned into Gods. How different is that from how the Rbhus were worshipped as Gods in Rig Veda? How does that make them indigenous (give me a break from this useless word)?

And your claim regarding Shiva and Durga is funny also, and sometimes borders delusion.

Which "indigenous" community gave rise to Ganesha, and what names did they use for the deity?
 

Devdas

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Apr 2015
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India
#8
THE SECRET ORIGIN OF LORD GANESHA :)

Ganesha is identified with the Hindu mantra "Aum" ,[ [Wikipaedia]----Hence Ganapathi Mantram [ OM Gan Ganapataye ,Namo Namah ,Shree Siddhi Vinayak Namo Namah..............]
These are depiction of Ganesha in writing system, very beautiful depiction. Om is actually refers to divinity and Vedic Verses starts with Om.
 
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Aatreya

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Dec 2014
2,984
USA
#9
Yeah, our views differ. I consider your views chauvinist, historically not correct and not doing any good to Hinduism.
You may entertain borderline lunatic ideas such as Aryans came from Central Asia while the bulk of what constitutes Aryan religion arose in India and is alive and well in India, and India alone. I certainly do not, and if I am called a chauvinist, so be it. It is because of the devout Hindus that Hinduism exists to at least the level that is present now, not because of atheists, missionaries and communists. Indology is the biggest curse on India, and I won't hesitate to call such people out whenever need arises.
 

specul8

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Oct 2016
2,182
Australia
#10
Gaṇapati, the name of Gaṇeśa, was lifted from basically a single verse : “gaṇānāṃ tvā …” which is actually for Brahmaṇaspati, an epithet of Bṛhaspati, who is the form aligned with Indra in the context of Indra being the sageliest of sages who breaks the vala enclosure and releases the cows of spiritual light and knowledge.
The Lord Gaṇeśa, as we see in Puranas, has nothing to do with this Bṛhaspati. Though a few interpolated verses have been added in the form of fake Upanishads to glorify this later deity, he is virtually unknown in all authentic Brahmanic/Vedic scriptures.
The deity was probably inspired from a non Vedic, non Brahmanic tradition which worshiped elephant-god as symbol of might, intelligence and crushing all obstacles.
Ummmm okay, but ..... you fogot to mention your supposed Greek connection . :confused:
 

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